User Tag List

Informational! Informational!:  0
Likes Likes:  0
Page 3 of 8 FirstFirst 1234567 ... LastLast
Results 17 to 24 of 60

Thread: Exotic pet ban - HR 669 Fish, Reptiles, Birds

  1. #17

    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    100
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Exactly. Pets, at least exotic pets, are almost negligible when compared with things that have been introduced through other means, and sometimes even intentionally. Rats, Africanized bees, zebra mussels, brown tree snakes in Guam, Asian longhorn beetles, cane toads, cannibal snails...the list goes on and on. Not to mention the havoc that can be wrought by traditional pets that establish feral populations (I'm looking at you, cats).

  2. #18
    Got Drosera? Indiana Gardener's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Indiana
    Posts
    391
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I don't see any inherent right to keep any kind of pet, whether its one of my dogs or one your, well, whatever you have.
    I'd thank you to speak for yourself. Anyone trying to take my animals will have to kill me first to get to them. I have friends who have served this country proudly and members of my community who gave their lives for our rights to own property and livestock and other rights we still enjoy in this country. I would appreciate it if you didn't discredit that by telling me I have no right to have something so basic as pets. I cherish my rights, and if you want to give up yours, that's your own business and you can move to another country where your views are accepted by the majority. Those views are not what this country was founded on. Sure, you have freedom of speech, but it becomes my business when you voice an opinion about what I can't own.

    I have responsibly cared for a variety of pets over the yrs ranging from guppies to koi and parakeets to emus. Don't lump us all together only because a few mess up. No need to punish everyone.

    One other thing; when you find yourself calling the HSUS radicals or extremists, you're doing them and the word a disservice.
    Any organization that conducts unlawful searches and seizures is a terrorist organization. Plain and simple. The HSUS has conducted more illegal seizures than I can count. They act on some anonymous false tip, rush in without proof, seize the animal(s), and destroy them before they have any evidence and before a hearing can be arranged. At the hearing, if the verdict is not guilty, too bad, the pets are already dead. I personally know people who have friends this has happened to. PETA and the HSUS should be held accountable for their despicable acts. Neither of these organization has law enforcement authority and if they step on my land and threaten me, my family, or my property, I legally have the right to defend myself, my family, and my property with whatever force necessary. And that is a right I will exercise if I have to!

    What the HSUS and PETA does is no different than if I gathered up a few friends, decided we had the right to break into your house while you're at work, inspect your fridge, and if we find anything past expiration confiscating your fridge and prevented you from owning another because you are not a responsible fridge owner since you were using it to store potentially unsafe food. Anyone doing that, if caught, would be charged with breaking and entering and theft of property. No different from what those organizations do! They should be charged just the same as anyone else doing that.

    The DNR should also be held accountable for releasing Mountain Lions into populated areas where they are not native and children regularly play outdoors unsupervised and not at least giving the public a heads up on the matter. Pet owners are not the only ones who make idiotic choices regarding animals.

  3. #19
    swords's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    Cernunnos Woods
    Posts
    8,120
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    There's the government for you: "Making new criminals daily since 1776!"

    I wonder when the A-Team will come to neutralize my brown Anole. Which arrived as an egg in a plant - since we're talking about "invasive" species, my lizard surely fits the bill. Which in a Kafka-esque nightmare universe like ours actually makes me guilty of smuggling the invasive lizard species since I ordered the plant off eBay and the egg was in the soil even though I didn't know it until a month or so later. I guess if I "really cared about the earth" and everything I would kill my lizard or allow the government to kill it to satisfy some idealists notion of fairness.

    One thing which is nice is that the underground/black market (non retail) for herps and fish etc will not be stemmed as long as there is still a cash based society (or even barter system amongst the hardcore) so it won't really be a problem for most people seriously into whatever they're into to continue with their studies. "You can still get it here meester..." There's really no sense of turning an amateur herpetologist or fish breeder into a back alley smuggler. However this sort of madness doesn't surprise me since we are living in an omniscient society that wants to encroach their command and control into every aspect of our existence. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep... will you?

    I wouldn't be surprised if exotic and invasive plants are not far behind the pets. Some plan devised by some sort of agricultural seed lobbyists and fixers posing as "environmentalists".

  4. #20
    Got Drosera? Indiana Gardener's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Indiana
    Posts
    391
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    You're right, swords. Things like this only punish the honest people. Those who really should be caught won't be affected one bit.

    Also, with this ideology, how long before we are not allow to keep plants... any at all? After all, they are living things and can a person really own another living thing?

    It could just as easily be said by our government that we do not have the right for that either. As long as the law views pets and plants as property, we all have the right to have them if we choose!

  5. #21

    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    100
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I can see it now...shade guys in trenchcoats lined with ball pythons...dimly lit concrete basements with breeding racks of leopard geckos and bearded dragons that flip around to look like bookshelves and a jukebox. Shipments of teddy bears with little baggies of fish inside them.

  6. #22
    N=R* fs fp ne fl fi fc L Pyro's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    Maryland
    Posts
    4,844
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by herenorthere View Post
    I don't see any inherent right to keep any kind of pet, whether its one of my dogs or one your, well, whatever you have.
    Well here you and I disagree but so be it. Joys of living in a free country, we are allowed to have differing thoughts and opinions. As far as I am concerned I am just as entitled to keep a dog as you are and you are just as entitled to keep a snake as I am. We are each free to make our informed decisions and if we are responsible pet owners then no one gets hurt, be our pets dogs or cats or pythons.

    I think we should all be held to a higher standard.
    Again, you will get no argument from me. The majority of reptile owners are very responsible and hold a very high standard. Just as the majority of dog owners are. Are there bad reptile keepers? Sure. Are there bad dog keepers? Sure. So why is it that one group is held to a different standard than the other? Simple answer: they think they can win against the herpers but they know they can not win against the dog owners. It is bovine scat.

    One other thing; when you find yourself calling the HSUS radicals or extremists, you're doing them and the word a disservice.
    No sir I am not. When you support the criminal behavior of others you are as guilty as those others.

    Personally, I think exotic pets are a negligible threat compared to the exotics that travel around as passengers in wood products, trapped water, etc.
    And again you will get no argument from me here. But as has been said before, this bill is not really about invasive species, that is just a guise that is being used to try and take down a group whose activities HSUS think is "wrong"

    The current effort ought to be directed towards those things, but that's a battle against business interests ranging from the local to the international. That kind of opposition is well funded and connected.
    And as such is "untouchable", yes I know.

    But again, that is not what HSUS and the supporters of this bill actually care about. These people think keeping exotic pets is wrong. They want to put a stop to it. And they are using the excuse of them becoming invasive to try and bring about the means to kill this section of the pet industry.
    'My love was science- specifically biology and, more specifically, when placed in a common jar, which of two organisms would devour the other.'

    See You Space Cowboy

    actagggcagtgatatcccattggtacatggcaaattagcctcatgat
    Hagerstown, Maryland

    --
    actagggcagtgatatcccattggtacatggcaaattagcctcatgat

  7. #23
    herenorthere's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    almost Hartford
    Posts
    3,785
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I just checked, in case I had missed something new, and the Constitution doesn't mention a right to keep pets. That means government is free to regulate what pets we can have. In theory, government is all of us and, if some of us (HSUS, etc.) decide they want to push to limit what pets people can have, others of us who disagree can push back. That's the way things work, as long as a court doesn't rule that the outcome violates the constitution. People throw the word "right" around without knowing that a right is a powerful thing and scarcer than we like to think.

    To the extent a law would restrict access to potentially destructive invasive species, animal or plant, I'm in favor of it. When it goes beyond that narrow goal, it quickly falls from favor. That's easy to say, not so easy to do and, to repeat myself from an earlier post, the devil is in the details. Learn the details and think about what is right and/or wrong about each one. That's a better way to accomplish what you want than to wrap yourself in the flag and call the opposition radicals and terrorists. No one person did all those things, but each has been done at least once in this thread. That's the real bovine scat.
    Bruce in CT

    Madness is something rare in individuals but in groups, parties, peoples, ages it is the rule. Friedrich Nietzsche

  8. #24
    Got Drosera? Indiana Gardener's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Indiana
    Posts
    391
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    You can see it however you like, but we have the right to own property; both real estate and physical possessions.

    In the court of law pets are counted as property. Don't believe me, look up some cases and their rulings. My state's law IC 15-5-10-1 specifically counts dogs as "personal property". You can argue it all you want, but pets are covered under the right to own property. It is a right and I am not at all willing to hand over any of my rights. That's just one more step away from the republic this nation used to be.

    If passed, this bill would only be a steeping stone to even greater government intrusions with stricter laws and restrictions. It will not stop there. They'll just keep taking and taking until we have no right to own anything. Just as soon as we loose all of our animals, the tree huggers will talk them into removing our plants as well. So be careful what you wish for, because just as soon as you said that it would never happen or they couldn't/wouldn't do that, it will happen.

    I'm sure we both agree that an apartment dweller should not be keeping certain things; lions, tigers, and bears oh my! I do not see the need to ban all "exotic" pets. "Exotic" is far too broad of a term that would cover anything from a leopard gecko to a mountain gorilla, catching angel fish and parakeets in the middle.

    Our rights are at stake whether you can see that or not.

Page 3 of 8 FirstFirst 1234567 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. My reptiles
    By villa99 in forum Reptiles, Amphibians and other terrarium dwelling animals
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 05-01-2007, 10:17 AM
  2. My reptiles
    By Ozzy in forum Reptiles, Amphibians and other terrarium dwelling animals
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 03-21-2007, 04:30 PM
  3. Transporting reptiles
    By Ozzy in forum Reptiles, Amphibians and other terrarium dwelling animals
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 06-24-2005, 10:21 AM
  4. Vft with reptiles
    By Crash in forum Venus Flytrap (Dionaea ) Care Information & Tips
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 07-13-2004, 05:00 PM
  5. Anyone want to trade reptiles for plants?
    By Rygar in forum Carnivorous Plant Trading Post
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 03-29-2004, 03:42 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •