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    Those who argue that the U.S. health care system is better than that of Canada because Canadians come to the U.S. for health care must also conclude that the health care system of India is better than that of the U.S. Many U.S. citizens go to India for health care, especially certain types of surgeries. It's so popular that there are businesses in the U.S. that provide that service.

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    didnt say its better.....do know which i would prefer.......ive gone through chunks of time where i had no health insurance and i still prefer ours.....rather pay out the rear for health care i can get today versus it being "free" and ive got to wait 6 months to get an MRI just to figure out what is wrong.....

    our system aint perfect by a long shot.....but ill still take it over what they in DC are looking to shove down my throat.......they spend more than they take in now.....can yah imagine what our debt is gonna look like adding tax based health care? forse DC to run a balanced budget, then look at increasing the debt load.......what most here seem not to get is almost 50% of our population in effect does not pay income tax....they either dont have to pay in every year or get a refund greater than the amount they pay in......if you guys want this sort of health care EVERYONE will be paying income tax every year......your taxes will go up, there is no way that can not happen......."free" health care is anything but.......
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    If you go to a hospital, and you cannot pay and do not have insurance, they must treat you. Why do you think so many illegals and other poor people flood the emergency rooms with minor illnesses? Because they cannot be turned away. This is a fact. My wife worked as a nurse in a major hospital in Cleveland and knows this to be true.

    The problem is not medical, but insurance. Let the people own their coverage. Let it be portable. Let it cross over state lines. Allow quality medical savings/spending accounts. Enact tort reform and reign in outrageous malpractice claims.

    Look at medicare, medicaid, s-chip, welfare. All of them are poorly run, inefficient, broke. Who in their right mind would expect the bloated, wasteful, federal government to be able to handle 20% of the national economy without screwing it up? History shows that it can't be done. Socialist countries in Europe are starting to turn away from socialized medicine, because it is expensive, inefficient and people are not getting the care the need or deserve. Just look in the news at how government medicine is ruining people's lives.

    If you want rationing, waiting for months for life-saving treatments (if ever) and a bloated bureaucracy which will cost us more than we are now paying, then socialized medicine is for you. Like the president said, you don't need that surgery, just keep taking your pain pill.
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    actually.....our state run s-chip program aint to bad.......they re-evaluate whether the person fits the standards for it regularly so there is lil abuse of it.....my wife had her daughters on it shortly after her divorce......decent program run fairly responsibly.....i voted to pay more in taxes for it at the November election even though the girls havent qualified for it for years......as did the majority of the voters....funny thing, the majority of the voters dont qualify for it......our s-chip program is OK......aint perfect but it aint bad......
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    They keep raising the age for the s-chip program, so now adult children qualify in many states.

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    James Madison said: “The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse.”

    Shame they don't make students read the constitution or the Federalist papers anymore.
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    If you go to a hospital, and you cannot pay and do not have insurance, they must treat you.
    That's true, and it's also true that if you have a job you're ****ed. They will take everything you make by garnishing your wages, any assets you have,house, car, etc. True, they can't sue a homeless person or someone as destitute as my father (just above homeless) but anyone lower middle class like myself may as well quit working cos you'll never have a dime again. I have seen the papers you have to fill out when my dad filled them out. Had he any possessions worth possessing he wouldn't have them anyone.

    "Well, At least you've got your health"

    "Yes and a very roomy cardboard box behind the liquor store to live in! God Bless America and the corporations she's run by."

    This was one of the very few programs ever created to help the bulk of Americans, instead of just the ones at the top and people have actually allowed themselves to be cowed by shareholders into fighting down something that only goes for their benefit. Politics just never ceases to amaze me...

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    There’s a misconception that all government programs are bloated. Some are more efficient than programs run by private companies. For example, Medicare has an overhead of about 5%. By contrast, private health care insurance companies have an average overhead of about 20%. That’s why the profits of a big health care insurance company called United Health more than doubled this past fiscal year, when everyone else was experiencing a recession.

    The best health care system would be a single-payer system in which a government agency would pay private health care providers for services, in much the same way that Medicare does. However, a single-payer system would virtually eliminate private health care insurance companies, and they have too much money to contribute to the members of Congress to make that a viable alternative.

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    there are over 300,000,000 ppl in the USA.......if you provide a government insurance for even half of them even paying cost and not figuring in profit for meds, procedures, doctors working for minimum wage, you quickly have one huge number that needs to be funded some how.....and ppl complain now that taxes are to high, even when most of them really aint paying any....

    there is no way this country could handle such a system without imploding......you right now have a congress that doesnt give a rip about anything but getting reelected.....the majority of the US was against the bailout but they passed it anyway, and not a single member of congress read the bill.....they voted on it 2 hours after copies were made for everyone, it was a stack of paper damn near 8 inches thick.......they have no interest in even ATTEMPTING to run a balanced budget.......excuse me if i have no interest in handing over my health care to these wackos.....and you have a huge chunk of the population now living on handouts cause those in congress keep giving them to those ppl so they can get re-elected.....as i said nearly 50% of the population now pays no income tax.....

    the USA's current system isnt ideal and yeah it costs alot but dammit i can get seen by a doc when i need to, i get stuff fixed when i need to........DC needs to be completely revamped before it is even remotely a good idea to start looking at health care for the masses......other wise we will just be digging our grave as a nation, faster and faster...
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