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Thread: Fined / Jailed for not having insurance: are they insane?

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    The individual mandate is being considered only because the powerful insurance companies have been able to take the single payer idea off the table, even though it's the alternative that makes the most sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Number View Post
    Seems to me you're getting your undershorts in a wad
    My thoughts exactly. People will revolt before this law gets anywhere near the books. Heck I know I will!

    These guys just keep finding dumber and dumber things to vote on... Can they get any lower

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    I don't know about this particular bill, but I have some school friends from Massachusetts and they all tell me how they can't wait to move back and go to their old doctors/insurers again.
    This does seem rather odd to me. Jail time? Don't we already have enough stupid nonviolent "crimes" for filling our jails? A fine makes sense; if you're going to go around uninsured and risk incurring costs that the public or health care providers might have to pay, I think a monetary penalty is in order to offset the potential costs. But jail time just costs more public money.
    Besides, if you're not able to afford insurance for yourself (which shouldn't be a problem if reform gets costs down or a public option available) isn't going to jail just going to make matters much worse? Last time I looked, not many people in jail are collecting paychecks.
    Ultimately, though, I think it comes down to how accessible insurance is. In the current climate, with private insurance dominating, jail time or even fines would be mostly or entirely counterproductive. But if a public option were available to all citizens, at a price that was affordable even for those under the poverty line, I could see jail time being an effective deterrent in moderation.
    Some people just don't want to take responsibility. At my old apartment complex, little kids would come around begging for food from total strangers because their parents just wouldn't bother to feed them. Washington state is pretty good so far as food and low-income benefits go; it wasn't that these people couldn't feed their children, it was just that they were too lazy to take the bus over to the Social Security office or the food bank. The problem is that there's little impetus to change the parents' behavior. Child Services doesn't have the manpower to send deadbeat parents to jail; they're already overburdened just trying to place mistreated children in safe homes. I hate to think of all the needless hunger and sickness those kids are made to suffer.
    Fortunately, there's at least a system in place to try and catch that kind of stuff (and sometimes it even works.) Health care is just as important as basic nutrition - or at least, they're both at the very top of the list. There should be some sort of laws in place to make sure that people don't fall through the cracks, whether it's the fault of the institution or the individual. If this were something non-critical, like owning a car, I would say that the government should stay out of it. But the uninsured make health care more expensive for the rest of us, and I don't think that's OK.
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    as i have stated in other threads bout this subject matter we have some other issues that need to be addressed first before taking on national health care, if we dont national health care will be a horrible money pit.....we should prolly secure our borders and deal with the illegal immigration issues first since they are currently a major drain on our health care system as well as in other areas.....
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    Don't you think that a more effective insurance program would insulate the general public against those costs, though, rattler? I'm on state co-op healthcare right now, and it's actually better in many respects than when I was covered on TriCare, the military's insurance program. (Which, despite all of its shortcomings, is worlds better than most private insurers.) If my income were just a little bit higher, or the premiums a little bit lower, I could buy a policy from the co-op itself instead of through the state, and then my coverage would be undeniably better. (The state formulary doesn't cover the $700-per-month prescription that I need, as it's a patented drug with no generic alternative.)
    Illegal immigrants make up less than 7% of the population, according to last year's census and immigrationcounters.com (a glaringly anti-immigration page who's estimate of the illegal immigrant population is about twice the size of any other figure I found.) On the other hand, as of a 2005 study by the federal Health and Human Services department, found that 16% of the populace is uninsured. I believe that figure includes illegal residents, but even if it does, that means that more than half the uninsured are legal citizens. (Otherwise, the ratio jumps up to more than two thirds.)
    I agree that illegal immigration causes a lot of financial troubles, but I certainly don't think it's the lion's share of the problem when it comes to health insurance. I don't see any reason to believe that immigration must be tackled first before taking on health care; it sounds like a tea-bagger talking point to me. Immigration reform is going to cost a ton of money and the benefits for your average citizen will be neither immediate nor direct. Accessible health insurance will improve my quality of life, and my work prospects, as soon as it happens, and I think the same is true for a vast majority of uninsured Americans. Getting citizens working and out of poverty is much more important (not to mention productive,) from my perspective, than driving out illegals that are just going to come back anyways because corporate America wants their cheap labor.
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    given most members of congress couldnt be trusted to balance my checkbook, no as a matter of fact i do not think they are capable of coming up with a realistic national health care program......i want to see them actually handle smaller stuff first.....these are the same ppl that gave money to a large portion of the groups that got us into the financial mess in the first place....
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    I don't understand any of the proposed health care reform but I am not worried about going to jail because I have health insurance.

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    While I'll agree with you on the first point, I don't think your conclusion follows. Members of Congress are supposed to be our representatives, but I'm sure you'll agree that the majority of Americans put very little effort into being represented. While I in no way mean to condone the shady things politicians do, I believe a big part of it comes from the ignorance of the people who elected them. People don't pay attention to what politicians are doing unless there's an election or something's already gone horribly wrong. I think that if we, as a nation, take the time to oversee what our representatives are doing, we can come up with some really good results. (It just hardly ever happens.)
    But healthcare is of dire importance to a lot of people, and I think we have a chance of doing a good job on it. I haven't finished it yet, but I'm reading Congress' bill, and I plan to write my representatives about it when I'm done, after which I'll move on to the House's and do the same. They're not as hard to read as the network news people want you to believe. Cross-referencing some of the terms from other bills is a bit of a chore, though.
    ~Joe
    o//~ Livin' like a bug ain't easy / My old clothes don't seem to fit me /
    I got little tiny bug feet / I don't really know what bugs eat /
    Don't want no one steppin' on me / Now I'm sympathizin' with fleas /
    Livin' like a bug ain't easy / Livin' like a bug ain't easy... o//~

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