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    I agree about the professional mooches, however a lot of hardworking, yet still poor, people get run over in the process of not doing anything because of the phobia of not wanting the possibility of there a small minority of mooches. There will always be mooches leaking through no matter what kinda safeguards we try to erect. I certainly see banking CEOs getting million dollar bonuses while the bank teller staff gets pay cuts as being "top dog" mooches... Our wages were froze this year but not cut yet.

    As far as dropping the two party system when did we ever have one of those? All we have are the liars and the lying liars, it's so hard to decide which one to vote for!

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    As far as dropping the two party system when did we ever have one of those? All we have are the liars and the lying liars, it's so hard to decide which one to vote for!
    Well said.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Halt View Post
    Didn't someone have money left over ? Reagan or someone..
    Nixon. The thing is, if the economy is booming, you have "full employment" (>4% unemployment). With full employment, you have a good tax base. With a good tax base, you have good revenue recovery, which means you can balance the budget and look real good. Conversely, if you have a recession, you have fewer people working and a smaller tax base, which means you have less revenue to work with. Your choices are to either spend more than you have to kickstart the economy, which temporarily makes the budget look sick, in the hopes that more people go back to work.... or tax the daylights out of the folks who have jobs, thus making some more people and business go under or leave. The latter would be New York State!

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    there is a third option jim......cut spending which is what we have to do at home and truthfully makes the most sense.....you can also cut taxes and encourage growth......with what we pay in taxes i could hire two more ppl.....had to lay someone off recently cause money was tight.....cut my taxes in half and i could have kept them employed......
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    I'm not thrilled with that approach because a lot of good people have to suffer. I'm also not happy with people who live off of welfare, taking abusive advantage of the system. What ticks me off the most are filthy rich people, who can't spend their money fast enough on frivolous things, won't help those in need. I don't wanna hear about "trickle down effect" as an excuse to exempt them from paying taxes. It's all about greed and selfishness with them. Robin Hood had the right idea. His tactics were just a little less than ethical. I say tax the crap out of rich people and let that revenue go toward creating real jobs and education to attain more than factory positions. And I'd be thrilled to eliminate vices as well as tax the daylights out of them so people wouldn't spend their money on them and then have to cure them when their liver and lungs are destroyed. Let's do multiple things simultaneously instead of one or the other.

    How's that for being opinionated!

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    I like that idea...

    They say 90% of all the wealth belongs to the top 10% of the rich. Well then let the top 10% of the rich pay for 90% of the countries expenses for keeping thier wealth protected.

    Not sure about taxing vices. I find it morally wrong to take advantage of someone's chemical dependancy. Do you think they like killing themselves? No they do it because they are addicted. If you want to stop vices, prevent it from being manufactured. But that won't happen because vice taxes aren't about stopping people and caring for them when they fall ill. It is about revenue generation under a thinly veiled banner of health care and well being.

    Kind of like how they advertise that casinos in my state that pay for education... yeah right. Then why is my local township talking about closing schools and laying off teachers when all the while casinos are popping up left and right.

    Vice taxes are a quick buck with a seemingly never ending supply of addicts who become addicted to them.

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    you want to create jobs? the answer isnt taxing the crap out of rich ppl.....the rich ppl will just leave the country....the answer is to tax the crap out of imported goods.....make it so the junk from China isnt the cheapest stuff.....it forces competition and allows companies in the US a chance to compete.....US employers cant compete with the Chinese near slave labor.....thats why most the crap that used to be made in the US is now made in china.....they can pay chinese workers a fraction of what they can pay an American......so tax the crap out of the imports and drop the taxes on employers that set up shop 100% within the US....taxing the crap out of the rich will just force more jobs out of the country.....its a theory that doesnt work.....

    BTW all those frivolous things the rich buy that you complain about.....takes ppl to make those things, it takes jobs to make those things, it takes jobs to sell those things to the rich......the rich guy in the huge freaking house is often paying a landscaper or two, they are paying ppl to clean their house they are paying ppl to wash their cars, they are paying ppl to do all the things they dont want to do......guess what? if that house is on US soil those are jobs......

    not everyone is going to succeed, its just the way it is......the sooner you come to grips with that fact the better, life aint fair, its never going to be fair, sit and complain about it or do what you need to do to carve out a piece of your own.....things wouldnt be so bad if individuals didnt insist on living outside their means....i wanted a TV for my bedroom, i didnt go put a 27 inch flat screen on a credit card, i went down to the pawn shop and handed over $60 cash for a 18 inch regular old TV.....alot of the ppl i see around here complaining they are on hard times bought a house costing twice what mine did, have TV's in most rooms of their houses usually new flatscreens, one in every kids bedroom, satellite TV with all the channels, 2008 or newer vehicles in the driveway, usually 2 of them plus something for the teenager(s)......and now complain cause they are a hundred thousand dollars in debt.....i aint even close to that and i bought a house 3 years ago.....cheap credit and idiots living on it until now has more to do with the sad state of affairs than rich ppl.....

    i hate ppl that whine about rich ppl.....dammit i want to be one and i know for a fact whining aint going to get me there, infact whining is whats gonna keep me from it.....
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    It's not about complaining about the rich. It is about insuring everyone pays a proportional amount of tax.

    I am all for free enterprise and working hard. If you want to succeed, work for it. But what I don't like is seeing wealthy people being brought up on tax evasion charges. They should be treated like Madoff and put in a cell to rot as they are just as bad as those sucking the system dry by being career victims.

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