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    Looks happy.

    I got some of these from the supplier but the plants I received look like pure red N. ampullaria to me. You will find they are no longer available due to the uncertainty of the plants.


    He got it from me, and it came from Borneo Exotics, and they are still available. It looks nothing like the pure ampullaria.

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    ive been looking at some pics of the pure ampullaria, and i think mine look's different, it does have a much more pointed/v shaped bottom, and the lids of all the pics of the species amp. seems quite smaller ,the talangensis have larger lids, like mine.
    thanks back2eight, I'll post a few more pics in a month for further reference on this hybrid.
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    does any one have a pic or two of their species ampullaria?
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    I do have pics, but I don't have them loaded into photobucket yet. The pure amp pitchers are much different, shorter and fatter and with practically no lid. They are left open to catch rain water. Some people say they are also evolving to be not strictly carnivorous. They collect rotting leaves and other vegetation as well. Plus, they pitcher so much from basal shoots that you can't hardly see the leaves at all. All you see is a big ball of pitchers. In the amp x talangensis cross you can see the amp influence, but you can definitely tell it isn't pure ampullaria.

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    I was referring to the fact that BE has removed them due to the uncertainty. I am merely informing the public that the plants distributed may not be what they are supposed to be. Perhaps some were released that are correct. Perhaps this is one of those crosses where you can hardly see one parent. I dunno for sure but the plants I received look exactly like all the other seedling N. ampullaria I have, including the plant Jimmy has posted photos of. It should become quite clear as the plants mature if they are pure N. ampullaria or not. As of this point I see no signs of N. talangensis in the leaves or pitchers.


    N. ampullaria brunei red seedling


    flat of N. ampullaria harlequin seedlings
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    its been about three weeks and a day or two since last pics,
    here is and update on the (ampullaira x talengensis).
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    Keep the updates coming! However, I still don't see a single trace of N. talangensis in the leaves or pitchers... /shrug I think when the plants finally mature it will be quite evident if they are hybrids or not. While it is true that sometimes one parent gets very lost in a hybrid. I can't think of a single one where there is no trace at all of the less dominant parent. It is possible though that the missing parent will become more evident as the plant matures. Certain features of different species express themselves at different stages of their growth.
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    I do see it though - they have more of a lid on the pitcher than a pure amp. A straight amp has a vestigal lid. I see that these are open so rain and other things can get in, but they are there. Plus the plant is not a tight rosette. I agree it looks more like amp, so maybe the talang just isn't showing through very strong, but to my eyes I look and I don't see pure amp in this plant.

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    Hello,

    I've just seen this thread for the first time - thanks Cindy. When Tony first mentioned to me that the seedlings looked like pure amp I immediately removed it from our pricelist and checked out the seedlings, which were still very small. I saw some differences in the shape of the peristome from other pure N. amp raised from seed made at the same time but felt too that the differences may jut be natural variation within N. ampullaria. Now, it's on my to-do list for our next visit to the lowland nurseries later this month. Unfortunately, there are not many clones of this cross to look at, which makes it difficult.

    I'm not saying this isn't a mistake, it could be. However, we are about to release N. x ampullaria spectablis. We have over 400 plants to compare, some of them large now and will shortly be publishing photos of them. They are enormously variable. Most of them are as you would expect but some of them nearly indistinguishable from N. spectablis. That is no mistake, it's a natural variation in the morphology of a hybrid that has a binomial (bell shaped) distribution that can sometimes be skewed heavily towards one or other parent.

    What we need to do - and shall do - is create it again and see what happens. In the meantime, if I can draw any conclusions after my next nursery visit I will post the results.

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