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    Republicans desperate

    Republicans are now saying that Americans will lose their liberty and their jobs if federal health care reform is passed. That’s a good sign. Not the loss of liberty or jobs, but that Republicans are so desperate that they are making those absurd claims. It means that health care reform is on the verge of being approved. Finally!

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    I havent kept up with this topics to well. But in other words wouldnt it be somewhat of a bad news for regular citizens? I mean the government will be the 1 to choose which doctor can be seen by the average person? So me and my houseold cant choose our own doctors that we wanna see like we can right now? Exept if we were rich and had power ? ooohhh IF that is the real case then i cant support it, to be fair it can be a major steppign stone for more goc control on liberties, seems like Washington is a little too itchy to get a hold of liberties or somethin, but then again im not sure it works this way with the healthcare bill, i can be wrong.
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    Obviously you haven't done the slightest research at all on the subject. I don't know where you get the idea the reform bills will dictate your choice of doctors. Look at Medicare, that's a government run health insurance plan. How many doctors and hospitals do you know that don't take Medicare patients. Do you have a "private" insurance plan? Go to that companies website and look up what doctors, clinics and hospitals that accept your insurance plan. If you have an HMO plan your choices are even more limited. Sure you can go "out of network" and choose a doctor or hospital that doesn't take your plan. You pay more out of pocket and the expenses may not count towards your deductible

    How's that for "liberty to choose" to spend more while your insurance company continues to pocket your premium.

    How many choices do you have now if you have a pre-existing condition, no job and no insurance? County Hospitals? The emergancy room? Try picking your doctors there.

    And yet there is the clamor "for the same health plan that the Senate has". Which by the way is a government run insurance plan available to all federal employees including the military and their families. But government run health care is a bad thing. Yet people want it.

    How bad is it when seniors will find their prescription drug costs are cut in half, when unemployed people, people between the ages of 18-25 or 50-64 with or without pre-existing conditions can get affordable insurance?

    Besides the "single payer" government health plans were out of the bills almost from the beginning. Doh!

    The all time low has to be the other day when one of the Representatives from Georgia likens the "health care bill fight" to "The Great War of Yankee Aggression".
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    Virginia is working on a bill to nullify government health care on the state level.....expect Wyoming, Montana and several other states to follow......

    one thing to keep in mind, all the major changes that lead to some good, social security, unemployment benefits, ect all came about as a result of pure bipartisan cooperation......most the crap rammed down our throats that has done more harm than good has been backed mostly by one party or the other and the republicans are just as guilty of it as the demo's.......
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    The underlying fact is that it is not the role of the federal government. It is also something that most americans (at last poll) do not favor as it is being proposed today.

    All of the political rhetoric and grandiose puffy fluffing do not disuade me from those two facts.

    So the real question is why does government continually attempt to pass laws that the majority of people do not favor. Is that even democracy? Why do they continually try to extend the bounds of thier original design? If they are not working for us, then who are they working for? If they are not following the rules of the constitution, then what rules are they following?

    These are the questions that should be answered.

    In my opinion we need to trace back to the laws that congresses of the past made that make todays congress seem to think this is thier job and have them striken from the books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dashman View Post
    The underlying fact is that it is not the role of the federal government. It is also something that most americans (at last poll) do not favor as it is being proposed today.

    that pretty much wraps it up.........and is why Montana, Wyoming and about 10 other states have said they had enough and are flexing states rights muscles......Montana is currently in court over and intra-state commerce issue where we are stating the feds have no business regulating tools that are made and sold 100% within the state......Wyoming will shortly have a similar bill on their governors desk that goes one step farther and will charge any federal employee that goes against the state law with a felony.......Virginia has a bill going through that is likely to pass stating that government required health care is illegal within their state.....Montana Wyoming and several other states will likely be doing similar because the citizens of their states think its ridiculous....

    also gotta figure any government program that puts the IRS in charge of enforcement(such as this health care BS) is gonna go down the crapper quick.....we had a battle with the IRS 3 years ago where the fault was on them NOT us, we got them to admit it and still wound up having to pay the fine they said we owed.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by rattler View Post
    that pretty much wraps it up.........and is why Montana, Wyoming and about 10 other states have said they had enough and are flexing states rights muscles......Montana is currently in court over and intra-state commerce issue where we are stating the feds have no business regulating tools that are made and sold 100% within the state......Wyoming will shortly have a similar bill on their governors desk that goes one step farther and will charge any federal employee that goes against the state law with a felony.......Virginia has a bill going through that is likely to pass stating that government required health care is illegal within their state.....Montana Wyoming and several other states will likely be doing similar because the citizens of their states think its ridiculous....

    Honestly, if they are passing those laws, then who cares if the bill is passed or not? Health care reform in all the states that want it. Its the same thing the are doing for medical marijuana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rattler View Post
    that pretty much wraps it up.........
    My guess is that if you would see a new party emerge who preached this, you would begin to see some real change in America. I see no change today, pretty much the new boss same as the old boss.

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