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    It was reported on CNN earlier that there was no "blow out preventer" installed, and that such a thing is standard in such an operation. What exactly that means I don't know, but if they cut enough corners there could be billions of dollars in fines at LEAST.

    Either way, no punishment can undo the damage, and it's ironic that something so valuable could be so catastrophic. This couldn't happen with solar power, to be sure

    EDIT I somehow couldn't read the above-linked article, but it tends to contradict what I posted there. It's odd how little information is actually available on such a massive disaster-in-progress
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    its a temporary problem anyway.....these hydrocarbons are a naturally occurring substance....its crude oil, not plastics, 5000 barrels worth of crude seep out of the floor of the Gulf every day naturally......does it suck? yes......is it gonna screw things up along that portion of the coast? yes.....is it permanent? hell no......actually this and even Valdeez are nothing compared to the crude oil lost in ships along the english channel during WWII due to German U-boats sinking tankers.....nature can deal with crude with out much long term problems....
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    Being on fire is usually a temporary problem too, but tell that to the person who is burning and see the comfort it provides
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    if you had any clue how much crude runs through southern LA pipelines from out of the gulf you would wonder why stuff like this doesnt happen more......as i said it sucks and it needs to get shut down ASAP but in the scheme of things the plastics that crude turns into is a bigger and more pressing problem in nature than that crude hitting the coast line....

    actually Valdez isnt even in the top 20 worst oil spills of all time....when Saddam blew the terminals in Kuwait in 91 it released an estimated 240 million gallons of oil.....in 79 an exploratory oil well went to hell in the Gulf of Mexico it released 140 million gallons.....Valdez was about 10 million gallons and ranks 34th among the largest oil spills......
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    http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/site/2931/
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    BOP is a necessary component. It's not something they can just skimp on. Besides, many reports and photographs show that there is infact a BOP stack and show the underwater control panel. They just can't seem to get the thing shut. After having worked on training material for the multiple oil companies like Chevron, BP, Halliburton, Schlumberger, Anadarko and many more, I can tell you that the only odd thing to me is that they only mentioned being unable to activate the shearing ram, my question is what about the blind rams(which crushes the entire pipe and closes off the annulus), or the pipe ram(which just closes off the annulus)?

    They claim that it may be stuck at the tool or pipe joint, if you've ever seen a subsea bop stack, their like 15 feet tall. it would seem that they would need to some how move the pipe/tool up or down to get the joint section out of the bop rams. Also, they dont mention if the bops hydraulics are working, which would indicate a problem, but sure mentioned that it worked 10-11 days ago and are now blaming cameron for the faulty stack. all equipment get tested by the american petroleum institute before it can be used on any rig.

    edit: and get tested on a regular basis during use.

    i personally think they hit a pocket of higher pressure while drilling through the various layers of the formation and workers didnt compensate or adjust the mud to handle it. a blowout in simple terms is an uncontrolled flow. with all the downhole electronics and sensors they use while drilling nowadays, ie., MWD, I think the sensors crapped out and they werent aware of it which led to this incident.

    I agree with rattler though, oil seepage occur and mother nature handles it just fine in most cases, but most seepages are not quite the estimated 5000 barrels a day. My concern now is the immediate impact on wildlife and plant life in the gulf coast along Mississippi and Alabama. These "booms" arent going to do squat considering the waves that will push the oil over the tops of them.

    A relief well, pfft, what a joke.....burning the oil, oh boy, in texas we thought the mexico grass fire smoke was bad, wait til you see the smoke from burning off millions of gallons of crude.

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    i pretty well fully agree with your assessment Billy...

    the 5000 barrels a day natural seepage fact though was mainly to illustrate the fact that crude is not locked a quarter mile below the ocean floor or earths surface like some seem to believe.....no its not the same as the gusher but the fact is that it is a natural substance being released and im sure similar has happened before recorded history due to earthquakes and landslides underwater....

    it is a bad thing short term but they are natural hydrocarbons that nature knows how to break down unlike the plastics we manufacture....it will be rough on that coastal ecosystem for some time but its far from permanent.....i am far more concerned about the two masses of plastic floating in the Pacific than i am about this crude.....
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    Them trash clouds could be harvested with existing technology, if anyone cared to do so.
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    your right they could, and were it off the US coast they would.....point being ecologically the masses of plastic are a bigger problem in the big picture than this underwater gusher....only reason they are making a big deal out of the gusher is its off the US coast.......screaming and hollering cause its at the front door and not on the other side of town....
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