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    How does someone go about finding the law on things like this? A quick search on google and all I could find was related to medical marijuana and college botany programs...

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    Ozzy - MassMorels has permission from the land owner to collect the moss, and had no idea there were sundews there because he didnt see any anywhere, i dont remember if you read that and saw the photos he posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirKristoff View Post
    Ozzy - MassMorels has permission from the land owner to collect the moss, and had no idea there were sundews there because he didnt see any anywhere, i dont remember if you read that and saw the photos he posted.
    No knowing you are commiting a crime is not a defense...if this is a crime that is. If collecting sundews is a crime and he did it unknowingly it is still illegal. I know the last few states I lived in this would be illegal with or without permission from the land owner. The issue is he is bothering wetlands, and that is covered in a lot of states under seperate laws.

    I would hate to see this end badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirKristoff View Post
    Ozzy - MassMorels has permission from the land owner to collect the moss, and had no idea there were sundews there because he didnt see any anywhere, i dont remember if you read that and saw the photos he posted.
    Except people are still sending me pms (Why me)? about how it was illegal for him to collect the sphagnum in the first place, especially the red.
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    A quick google search and here is a lot of info I don't care to read about wetlands in Michigan.

    http://www.michigan.gov/deq/0,1607,7...687---,00.html

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    lol sphagnum is sphagnum, sig, the red might only be temporary anyhow, ive had green stuff turn red and red stuff turn green.
    in my experience, sphagnum grows at an insane rate, so i dont think he did any harm to the sphagnum or ecosystem, im not sure about the sundews though, its strange that hes getting tons of sprouts of D. rotundifolia when there were seemingly no drosera there.
    if the land is private land, the owner generally has final say IRC, there was a huge debate on this not too long ago....
    if Ozzy can go out and take utrics and dews from the boiling springs lake or greenswamp, then why is he not being flamed, but suddenly a new member who comes along, and gets heavy into the hobby, has hawkeyes on him, personally, i dont think he did anything wrong.
    if he had gone and taken a truck bed of sphagnum and mature dews, then this would be a different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirKristoff View Post
    lol sphagnum is sphagnum, sig, the red might only be temporary anyhow, ive had green stuff turn red and red stuff turn green.
    in my experience, sphagnum grows at an insane rate, so i dont think he did any harm to the sphagnum or ecosystem, im not sure about the sundews though, its strange that hes getting tons of sprouts of D. rotundifolia when there were seemingly no drosera there.
    if the land is private land, the owner generally has final say IRC, there was a huge debate on this not too long ago....
    if Ozzy can go out and take utrics and dews from the boiling springs lake or greenswamp, then why is he not being flamed, but suddenly a new member who comes along, and gets heavy into the hobby, has hawkeyes on him, personally, i dont think he did anything wrong.
    if he had gone and taken a truck bed of sphagnum and mature dews, then this would be a different story.
    There are different species of sphagnum, they are not the same. From wikipedia "Sphagnum is a genus of between 151 and 350 species" Now I don't know if he has all the same species or many different ones.

    The land owner in many states does not have any say. None at all. Some of the states have massive fines for bothering wetlands of any type others it is like a $50 fine. Others require you to get permits from the state, others have no regulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSS View Post
    The issue is he is bothering wetlands
    Exactly, not to worry though the MI DNR has been contacted and informed. Once again, just because you can, does not mean you should. These actions and anyone taking part stand exactly against what this community stands for.

    Quote Originally Posted by SirKristoff View Post
    If Ozzy can go out and take utrics and dews from the boiling springs lake or greenswamp, then why is he not being flamed
    I don't recall any thread of Ozzy harvesting any of the above. I do recall however some VFTs he collected (whether legal or not) in order to spare them a certain fate. On a moral point I agree with him 100%. If you know of a thread or instance where Ozzy has done such a thing I'm sure he would be more then willing to fill you and anyone else in on it as to why he would have done something like this.

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