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    so much for "one man, one vote"

    Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election
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    By JIM FITZGERALD, Associated Press Writer Jim Fitzgerald, Associated Press Writer – Tue Jun 15, 4:15 am ET

    PORT CHESTER, N.Y. – Arthur Furano voted early — five days before Election Day. And he voted often, flipping the lever six times for his favorite candidate.

    Furano cast multiple votes on the instructions of a federal judge and the U.S. Department of Justice as part of a new election system crafted to help boost Hispanic representation.

    Voters in Port Chester, 25 miles northeast of New York City, are electing village trustees for the first time since the federal government alleged in 2006 that the existing election system was unfair.

    Although the village of about 30,000 residents is nearly half Hispanic, no Latino had ever been elected to any of the six trustee seats, which until now were chosen in a conventional at-large election. Most voters were white, and white candidates always won.

    Federal Judge Stephen Robinson said that violated the Voting Rights Act, and he approved a remedy suggested by village officials: a system called cumulative voting, in which residents get six votes each to apportion as they wish among the candidates. He rejected a government proposal to break the village into six districts, including one that took in heavily Hispanic areas.

    Furano and his wife, Gloria Furano, voted Thursday.

    "That was very strange," Arthur Furano, 80, said after voting. "I'm not sure I liked it. All my life, I've heard, 'one man, one vote.'"

    It's the first time any municipality in New York has used cumulative voting, said Amy Ngai, a director at FairVote, a nonprofit election research and reform group that has been hired to consult. The system is used to elect the school board in Amarillo, Texas, the county commission in Chilton County, Ala., and the City Council in Peoria, Ill.

    The judge also ordered Port Chester to implement in-person early voting, allowing residents to show up on any of five days to cast ballots. That, too, is a first in New York, Ngai said.

    Village clerk Joan Mancuso said Monday that 604 residents voted early.

    Gloria Furano gave one vote each to six candidates. Aaron Conetta gave two votes each to three candidates.

    Frances Nurena talked to the inspectors about the new system, grabbed some educational material and went home to study. After all, it was only Thursday. She could vote on Friday, Saturday or Tuesday.

    "I understand the voting," she said. "But since I have time, I'm going to learn more about the candidates."

    FairVote said cumulative voting allows a political minority to gain representation if it organizes and focuses its voting strength on specific candidates. Two of the 13 Port Chester trustee candidates — one Democrat and one Republican — are Hispanic. A third Hispanic is running a write-in campaign after being taken off the ballot on a technicality.

    Results were expected late Tuesday night. The Department of Justice said Monday that federal observers would be at all polling places Tuesday.

    Campaigning was generally low-key, and the election itself was less of an issue than housing density and taxes.

    Hispanic candidates Fabiola Montoya and Luis Marino emphasized their volunteer work and said they would represent all residents if elected.

    Gregg Gregory gave all his votes to one candidate, then said, "I think this is terrific. It's good for Port Chester. It opens it up to a lot more people, not just Hispanics but independents, too."

    Vote coordinator Martha Lopez said that if turnout is higher than in recent years, when it hovered around 25 percent, the election would be a success — regardless of whether a Hispanic was elected.

    "I think we'll make it," she said. "I'm happy to report the people seem very interested."

    But Randolph McLaughlin, who represented a plaintiff in the lawsuit, said the goal was not merely to encourage more Hispanics to vote but "to create a system whereby the Hispanic community would be able to nominate and elect a candidate of their choice."

    That could be a non-Hispanic, he acknowledged, and until exit polling is done, "it won't be known for sure whether the winners were Hispanic-preferred."

    The village held 12 forums — six each in English and Spanish — to let voters know about the new system and to practice voting. The bilingual ballot lists each candidate across the top row — some of them twice if they have two party lines — and then the same candidates are listed five more times. In all, there are 114 levers; voters can flip any six.

    Besides the forums, bright yellow T-shirts, tote bags and lawn signs declared "Your voice, your vote, your village," part of the educational materials also mandated in the government agreement. Announcements were made on cable TV in each language.

    All such materials — the ballot, the brochures, the TV spots, the reminders sent home in schoolkids' backpacks — had to be approved in advance, in English and Spanish versions, by the Department of Justice.

    Conetta said the voter education effort was so thorough he found voting easier than usual.

    "It was very different but actually quite simple," he said. "No problem."
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    Most voters were white, and white candidates always won.
    Federal Judge Stephen Robinson said that violated the Voting Rights Act.
    a perfectly legal election violates the Voting Rights act HOW exactly does that violate ANYthing??

    this is exactly why liberals are going to destroy America..
    "dont like the election results? no problem! just change the rules so "your" guy wins"!

    Can this possibly be legal?
    well, considering we are talking about NY state..sadly, it just might be..

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    and before someone bothers to say "yeah, but now EVERYone has 6 votes! so its still fair"
    hold your breath..
    because if that were true, why not just keep it one vote per person then?
    it would work out the same right?

    here is the REAL reason for giving everyone 6 votes..one of the comments on the yahoo story summed it up perfectly:

    by BlakeR, The problem is that the are doing this to ensure a hispanic is elected. There is a population breakdown of 50% white and 50% hispanic. Of the 12 people running 10 are white and 2 are hispanic. Assuming the white voters split their 6 votes amongst the white candidates and the hispanic voters split their 6 votes among the 2 hispanic candiates, a hispanic candiate is likely to garner 5 times as many votes than any given white candidate. A hispanic voter who may have had a choice between two white candidates in his particular district is now encouraged to vote for a hispanic candidate who does not even represent him. This is social engineering, not fair voting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottychaos View Post
    Can this possibly be legal?
    well, considering we are talking about NY state..sadly, it just might be..

    Scot
    Anything the group in power decides that does not violate federal laws is legal, you have no "right" to vote once or 12 times. Thats just a common incorrect phrase. There are lots of crazy thing you can do that "engineer" an election that are not discrimination or violate federal laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSS View Post
    Anything the group in power decides that does not violate federal laws is legal, you have no "right" to vote once or 12 times. Thats just a common incorrect phrase. There are lots of crazy thing you can do that "engineer" an election that are not discrimination or violate federal laws.
    pretty sure this violates federal laws......
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    If most of the people running are white in a 50/50 jurisdiction, giving minorities more votes won't change that. It'll just increase the likelihood of someone inexperienced being elected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silenceisgod View Post
    If most of the people running are white in a 50/50 jurisdiction, giving minorities more votes won't change that. It'll just increase the likelihood of someone inexperienced being elected.
    If I'm understanding this correctly they gave everyone 6 votes not just minorities, so it would be completetly legal.

    Here is there plan...


    Gloria Furano gave one vote each to six candidates. They would hope these were white candidates. Each white candidate gets 1 vote.

    Aaron Conetta gave two votes each to three candidates. They would hope these were minorities. Each minority candidates gets 2 votes.

    Gregg Gregory gave all his votes to one candidate. Again hoping for minority candidates. This one has 6 votes!

    Those 3 examples they listed show the potential of what they are "engineering". As listed in the article. The U.S. Department of Justice wants to elect a minority, and this is there plan to do so. I see no reason it would be illegal since everyone is getting the same (no discrimination) number of votes.

    "Furano cast multiple votes on the instructions of a federal judge and the U.S. Department of Justice as part of a new election system crafted to help boost Hispanic representation."

    Now I'm not saying this will work or not work, but there intentions are clearly listed and the theory is there.

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    It smacks of Chicago politics, where even the dead possess enough civic duty and pride to vote -- as they did in great numbers for JFK . . .
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