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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexenthes View Post
    Man I don't even know what to think of that website. It's almost as far left as it is far right....

    Some of the news covered in it certainly is pressing and barely covered in mainstream news, but at the same time, I really don't think it's ok for them to be pressing idea of Revolution or WW3 like that.... That is really scary when people can't think of an alternative other than those two things, which are essentially one in the same.

    It's spreading fear just like mainstream news is, but even more potently. We really need to focus on widescale violence NOT being the method that we recover from this state of affairs.
    I don't think the article is urging WWIII or violent revolution. What I gathered was that it is the powers that be that are preparing for it if certain events come to pass. The author is simply stating the possibility.

    I myself would never condone violence. There are peacful forms of revolution. The tea party would be what I would define as a peaceful revolution. At least in the beginning. It is quickly being manipulated by establishment Republicans who have jumped on the band wagon and are attempting to take the reigns. Only time will tell if those "tea partiers" get elected and thier voting records reflect the beliefs of the movement.

    I have to admit, I don't know much about the tea party. I probably share alot of thier stated beliefs, but am hesitant to support it fully until I see how they vote. With that said, the tea party as I understand it is as much against the Republicans as they are the Democrats. They are against the last 30-80 years of government who's monetary policies have bankrupted this country and transferred vast amounts of wealth to the bankers. Not to mention the rampant corruption that corporatocracy has brought.

    At least that is my take on it.

    ---------- Post added at 09:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:15 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by rattler View Post
    the housing bust lies largely on the heads of the democrat leaders but going back to Clintons first term......if you look what lead up to that its one of the few places where the repubs were screaming we need to look at this closer and the demos had almost all the control over it....the repubs are at fault in not pushing through the stricter controls when they had the majority control...instead they put a few repubs on the board who immediately started lining their pockets and saying everything was fine.......also one of the few places where i agreed with McCain as he was saying this process needed to be looked at back in 2001 i believe.....
    You would be correct. It is argued pretty logically that the repeal of the Glass–Steagall Act that was put into place in 1933 was what caused the housing bubble and ultimately the crash.

    It was repealled in 1999 under Clinton. However, republicans controlled Congress. So Obama's claim that Bush caused the crisis is wrong in my opinion. One because he wasn't in office yet. And two, both sides share some blame because Clinton could have vetoed it. Clinton supported "mondernizing" Glass-Steagall.

    The Glass-Steagall forbade banks from using deposits in risky investments such as derivatives, among other things. At least that is my understanding.

    The Frank-Dodd act was passed recently to replace Glass-Stegall after the damage was done, but from what I know of it (not much) it is watered down and adds layers of bureaucracy and cost to taxpayers. And still allows banks to invest in derivatives if I am not mistaken.

    most the horrible deficit spending is traced back to FDR.....who happens to be a democrat but quite frankly Bush was looking to do the same stupid thing that FDR tried with his New Deal....it didnt work in the 30's for FDR and it sure in the heck was not gonna work now for Bush and Obama.....the bailout is stupid if you understand anything about economics, its akin of standing in a 5 gallon bucket and trying to pick yourself up by lifting on the handle......aint gonna happen, dont care if a demo or a repub is in charge of the program.....the fact that those in charge do not understand this is scary cause its basic economics....WWII and the ALLies buying hard goods and technology from the US for the years before we entered in December of 41 is what kicked us out of the Depression, not the New Deal.....
    I think pretty much every president since Wilson has contributed to the deficit as that is how they must operate by design. Some more than others. Paper money is created through credit. Income tax is used to pay the interest on the bonds.

    If you run the math, there is no way to pay off the deficit completely. Because if we didn't have a deficit, we wouldn't have any money. Each dollar is a representation of our debt to repay treasury bills with interest. If we did pay them all off, there would be no money in circulation. That is the horrible truth to a central bank. It is designed to take our money. The more money we put out, the more money treasury holders receive. Why would we want such a system. Why should we pay someone interest on money that by right of the consitution belongs to congress to create. Why did we give that right to a private group of bankers and foreign states to become wealthy off of. Major Banks, the Fed, and China are the top holders of US Treasuries.

    Woodrow Wilson (D) is the father of the central bank known as the Federal Reserve during the start of the "Progressive Era". Something he regretted later on:
    Woodrow Wilson, 1916, said:
    A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the Nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated, governments in the civilized world—no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

    Senate Doc. 23, 76th Congress, 1st Session pg.100

    FDR did indeed then start this country down the road to indebtedness under the "Great Experiment". We are still under this Great Experiment today. Still waiting for the day when someone will declare the "Great Experiment" a failure.
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    buying hard goods and technology from the US
    AH! What a concept! Oh yea, that's right! We no longer produce that much in the US, because it is cheaper now to buy things made from other countries! No import tariffs and import fees to balance that out, and keep our country powerful. Better to tax our own people to death, and not buy anything from them, and drive them into poverty!
    (Wikipedia: "Tariffs were the largest source of federal revenue from the 1790s to the eve of World War I, until it was surpassed by income taxes.")

    Seems our country was founded on people wanting to avoid the very things we ourselves have allowed to happen here. Ironic.

    Why should we pay someone interest on money that by right of the constitution belongs to congress to create. Why did we give that right to a private group of bankers and foreign states to become wealthy off of.
    And as far as "money" is concerned, leaving the gold/silver standard and accepting "reserve notes" was a real stroke of moronics!

    If we don't get to fixing our own country and cleaning up our own mess, we shouldn't be throwing our money into helping out other countries and trying to fix them! You feed your own family first, before feeding others! You clean your own house and yard first before helping others. Charity begins at home!
    Indeed, there is going to be hard times ahead. We are going to have to begin building up our country again, and it is going to be a case of working hard for a better life, and not just expecting one. Indeed, ask not what your country can do for you, but if the leaders would get their heads out of their "nether-regions", perhaps they could help us to figure out what it is exactly that we could do for our country..., besides just allowing bad politics and corruption to exist!
    For starters, I think we need accountability from our elected leaders. When granted a position of authority, then a higher degree of accountability needs to go with it. We tolerate too much, and so the system gets used and abused.


    HEY, wait a minute! This problem is multifaceted and has its roots in many places! I don't want to go on and on about this... especially if no one but a bunch of plant growers are going to hear me anyway, ( if they even bother to listen)! What's the point if there isn't a politician or someone extremely wealthy or powerful out there?! Otherwise, why bother getting into this!

    Well, I have to admit it Dash and everyone, while I am not very well versed in politics and history much at all, this has been fun to discuss! I am more a simple and common sense sort of person however, so I guess it is time....

    Okay, I'm done! I am going to go see if I can propagate a nice VFT, hybridize a neat looking Sarr., develop a better Highland Grow-chamber or even just go look at my plants and space out for a while. That always makes me feel good, and I am much better at it than I am at guiding and ruling a country!

    I suggest that we all do that for a while, while we still can. Tending our plants is good for the soul, and is part of what plants do for us!

    Oh yea, did I mention,
    life is too short to take too seriously anyway.

    Take care everyone!
    Experience is the best teacher. At least it used to be.
    But then, common sense isn't so common anymore, is it.


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    dash, re-read what i wrote on the housing.....i said that Clinton started it and the repubs were at fault that they did not put serious effort forth to control it when they had control of congress......

    the Bailout started with Bush and it did, and that stupid policy is being continued by Obama and the current congress......the fault on it lies pretty squarly on both parties though there are quite a few repubs that voted against it but no where close to all of them......

    in all honestly my idea of a perfect federal government is a real dem president and a real repub congress or a real repub president and a demo congrass......history has shown they get in a heck of alot less trouble when they are fighting with each other.......a repub pres/repub congrass scares me just as much as our current demo/demo......the repub/repub got us teh Patriot act which ppl should be hung for treason over.....

    in all reality what the Tea Party preaches is pretty close to what i believe but the jury is still out on whether they will practice what they preach or if they are just gonna become more DC parasites.....
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    @GrowinOld
    Well said!

    Yeah, I honestly don't know why I post crap like this on a plant site. Probably because I enjoy hearing peoples opinions that I respect. The crowd here is rather diverse and personable. We have everyone from school aged kids to scientists to CEOs and everyone in between. I rather enjoy hearing diverse opinions to complex topics. I occasionally get onto social networking sites such as FB but FB is so hollow. CPs sites is really about the only sites where I interact with others. So you guys are bearing the brunt of my ramblings. For that I do apologize. At least some of you humor me with responses and for that I thank you!

    Back to plants!

    @rattler
    My mistake. Sorry. I do find it odd that only republicans (mostly) voted for the repeal. Perhaps because of the pork and special interest crap added to the bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rattler View Post
    in all reality what the Tea Party preaches is pretty close to what i believe but the jury is still out on whether they will practice what they preach or if they are just gonna become more DC parasites.....
    I'm all for some of the things the tea party stands for...I think we could all go for a balanced budget

    However my biggest concern with the movement is the nut jobs on TV/radio who support it and elicit a purely emotional response rather than work through the facts and data.
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    You talking bout the panic striken chicken?



    "Why am I the only one freaking out about this America?!"



    I worked at a plastics factory that was crowded with conspiracy nuts, everything that seems new to people today (tea party/Glen Beck talking points) I heard from my co-workers 20 years ago at Lazer Graphics. None of it is new, same old paranoias. They're trying to take my god, guns, gold, "freedom", "liberty", commies! (nowadays "socialists") "trying to change my values", trying make me love gays, our money is "fake", they're going to start controlling our minds, the UN is selling white women into slavery, Rockafeller is the devil.......

    Everyday it was something new, no matter what topic you brought up they had some wild conspiracy spin to ride you out on. I always thought it was the fumes from the plastic that made them believe these things - I had a headache everyday I worked there. I certainly hope we don't get a whole bunch of Tea Party religo conspiracy nuts in power, though it would be interesting. We all of us only follow the laws insofar as it's convenient anyway - so what do we really care? LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by swords View Post
    You talking bout the panic striken chicken?



    "Why am I the only one freaking out about this America?!"

    LOL. That is hilarious. That looks like Glenn Beck. I don't watch much network news due to children and thier penchant for animation, but I do know who he is. I check FoxNews website along with MSNBC on my blackberry at lunch sometimes. CNN doesn't work on my phone for some reason.

    I did read on some of the media sites that he is coming out with alot of what you would call "conspiracy theory" stuff.

    But IMHO mixing facts, theory, and a teleprompters opinion is a dangerous combination.

    Especially when a terd like Beck is the one reading from it. He is not very credible in my book.
    Last edited by dashman; 09-29-2010 at 06:24 PM. Reason: can't spell.

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    To top it off, he is one of the most influencial tea party leaders. Even if the chance is small, i hope he and his thralls dont get one of their puppets elected. Its like nuclear war, the chance is smalll but you shoulden't risk it.

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