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    Quote Originally Posted by jimscott View Post
    LOL! In WW2 we were told that the reason why we dropped the bombs was to save American lives. Okay..... but what about the Japanese and the radiation? I guess that the Japenese aren't people..... We're told what is expedient.
    A country's duty is to ITS people, not to the country it is at war with.....so of course they will kill another county's people to save it's own...it's just the way war works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exo View Post
    A country's duty is to IT'S people, not to the country it is at war with.....so of course they will kill another county's people to save it's own...it's just the way war works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exo View Post
    A country's duty is to IT'S people, not to the country it is at war with.....so of course they will kill another county's people to save it's own...it's just the way war works.

    Even that is debatable, especially in conflict. America has historically taken our freedoms from us under the guise of protecting us. WWII is a perfect example. Many US citizens were wrangled up and put into internment camps based on thier race to protect us.

    Today we have things such as the Patriot Act to keep us "safe".

    Governments main duty is to preserve itself. By itself, I mean the government.

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    There are potentially significant implications for Israel and according to the EIA:
    The Suez Canal, which connects the Mediterranean and Red Seas, moved 1 million to 1.6 million barrels a day of oil and refined products north to Europe and other developed economies in 2008 and 2009, according to the Energy Information Administration, the statistical arm of the U.S. Energy Department. The EIA identified the canal as one of seven “world oil transit chokepoints” in a report earlier this month.
    Nervous oil traders took the price of oil from 85.11 to a high of 89.73 from Thursday's low to Friday's high. While there were also some technical issues in this rise (imho), $4.62 / bbl change in one day is fairly significant ...
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    The hypocrisy that we as a nation have exerted in the middle east is just phenomenal.
    Dichotomies within our foreign policies are everywhere. The Middle East has a bunch of them but how about one of our biggest 'trading partners' - China?
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    The thing I am finding the most frustrating about this whole Egypt situation is that its been all over the news for days..but we are told NOTHING about WHY the people of Egypt are up in arms!

    all the news stories are only about the unrest itself..there is ZERO mention of exactly what the people of Egypt actually want..(except "we want democracy"..ok, but what does that mean??)

    when this happens (lack of real news) there must be a reason for it..there is something about this story we arent supposed to know..

    fortunately in the USA we have access to the global internet..

    "If there were free and fair elections, it is widely expected that the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood would win."
    source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12317285

    I think our government SAYS they want democracy in Egypt..but they dont really mean it..
    because true Democracy in Egypt would elect a very anti-US Egyptian government.

    The Muslim Brotherhood has been active in the US since the 1960s. Its stated goals have included propagating Islam and creating havens for Muslims in the US, and integrating Muslims. A main strategy has been dawah or Islamic renewal and outreach. In the 1960s, groups such as U.S. military personnel, prison inmates and African-Americans were specifically targeted for dawah. The goal of the Muslim Brotherhood in the USA is

    The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a "Civilization-Jihadist" process with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" their miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim's destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack.[74]
    source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood

    In their own words, they want to destroy America..even from within.
    and our own media and our own government is afraid to tell us this..
    probably because it would be politically incorrect to say anything bad about muslims..
    (must keep up the myth that all muslims are simply peaceful and tolerant people..)
    so the truth is simply ignored..

    Can anyone think of a better reason why we are told nothing about what is really going on in Egypt?
    sure, the Egyptians want democracy..I dont doubt that.
    but democracy for Egyptians would result in the government the people of Egypt actually want..
    and thats not necessarily good news for the USA..or the Western world in general.. because it would result in the increase in anti-Western muslim power..

    Its a culture war people, a religious war..a large segment of the Muslim word really does want to kill us all..
    we are told "its just a small radical minority"..im not so sure about that..

    Scot

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    Good points. But I think you need to dig deeper as to why one group of muslims want to destroy us and another group of muslims are our friends. I think you may find that the fact they are muslims and we are for the most part Christians has no bearing whatsoever.

    Faith is a good tool to rally the troops, but it is not the root cause. Christianity and Islamic faith are largely peaceful religions. That peace stops for both when invasion has occured. To most middleeastern states we are the invaders. And us, well, we have been told we are there to spread freedom and democracy. Whether they like it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottychaos View Post
    The thing I am finding the most frustrating about this whole Egypt situation is that its been all over the news for days..but we are told NOTHING about WHY the people of Egypt are up in arms!

    all the news stories are only about the unrest itself..there is ZERO mention of exactly what the people of Egypt actually want..(except "we want democracy"..ok, but what does that mean??)

    when this happens (lack of real news) there must be a reason for it..there is something about this story we arent supposed to know..

    fortunately in the USA we have access to the global internet..


    source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12317285

    I think our government SAYS they want democracy in Egypt..but they dont really mean it..
    because true Democracy in Egypt would elect a very anti-US Egyptian government.



    source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood

    In their own words, they want to destroy America..even from within.
    and our own media and our own government is afraid to tell us this..
    probably because it would be politically incorrect to say anything bad about muslims..
    (must keep up the myth that all muslims are simply peaceful and tolerant people..)
    so the truth is simply ignored..

    Can anyone think of a better reason why we are told nothing about what is really going on in Egypt?
    sure, the Egyptians want democracy..I dont doubt that.
    but democracy for Egyptians would result in the government the people of Egypt actually want..
    and thats not necessarily good news for the USA..or the Western world in general.. because it would result in the increase in anti-Western muslim power..

    Its a culture war people, a religious war..a large segment of the Muslim word really does want to kill us all..
    we are told "its just a small radical minority"..im not so sure about that..

    Scot


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    "I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a “thing-oriented” society to a “person-oriented” society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism (and crusaderism) are incapable of being conquered."

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    This is why I hold MLK day in such high regard. Historians will tell you he fought for the civil rights of African Americans. But those who know history know he fought for the freedoms of all peoples. Regardless of race, religion, creed, color, or class.

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    Last edited by dashman; 01-30-2011 at 12:36 AM.

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