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    a tale of two peppers....

    Seeds from two different sources, both supposedly Bhut Jolokia, both started same time and grown under same conditions...

    Example one:
    Seeds from Jamie in Hawaii, highly regarded source
    http://www.thehottestpepper.com/index.html
    Germination speed was very slow and seedlings did not want to grow well, very termpermental when young.

    Image taken today:


    Example two:
    Seeds from a great sounding Ebay source
    http://cgi.ebay.com/NAGA-JOLOKIA-BHU...item336996a350
    Germination speed was fast with strong seedling growth.

    Image taken today:


    (pretty obvious these are not the same species IMHO)

    Quote from the Chile Pepper Institiute at New Mexico State University:

    "SPECIAL BHUT JOLOKIA TIPS
    Please read the how to start your seeds publication which is included in every seed order as well
    as on our website, very carefully and closely follow the directions.
    Bhut Jolokia require soil temperatures to be between 80 and 90 degrees F for proper
    germination. You may need to supply bottom heat with the aid of a propagation mat.
    Soil must be kept moderately moist, never being allowed to completely dry out and never
    allowed to become soggy. This will destroy the embryo in the seed and they will not germinate.
    The Bhut Jolokia can take up to 36 days just to germinate and sometimes germinate 70 days after
    planting and have a very long growing period, up to 160 days after transplanting before any
    harvest.
    The Bhut Jolokia is an interspecific hybrid, meaning it is a cross between two species, due to this
    it has a very hard time self-pollinating. For better pod development grow a habanero plant next
    to the Bhut Jolokia, if your plants are indoors you will have to manually transfer pollen with a
    soft paint brush. It is typical for the first set of flowers to drop from the plant and not produce
    any pods, be patient, pods will eventually start to develop.
    The Bhut Jolokia is extremely hard to grow and we do not recommend it for the novice
    grower/gardener."


    Conclusion..... one of the two is likely not Bhut Jolokia
    Can you guess which one?

    LOL

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    The first is....I've seen the plants in person and they look and behave like the first plant.
    Some days it just isn't worth chewing thru the restraints.

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    "The Bhut Jolokia is an interspecific hybrid, meaning it is a cross between two species".

    I know a lot of common garden plants are the result hybridization, and can only be propagated by repeating the cross, as the seed doesn't come "true"...
    however I also know that at times when a cross is made, many of the "children" will look different from each other. That being the case, I would say there is actually a possibility that both plants (or neither!) is the real Bhut Jolokia.

    Eh, its late, & they both look like some kind of pepper to me!

    I suppose I could check with the panel...
    Kitty Carlisle, Bill Cullen, Peggy Cass, Gene Rayburn, Bud Collyer, Tom Poston...
    but what the hey, I figure you will "tell the truth" soon enough!
    Experience is the best teacher. At least it used to be.
    But then, common sense isn't so common anymore, is it.


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    Paulllllllllllllllll

    hey old friend....

    ahhh i guess they both may be or may not be.... hmmmmm so in this case its a matter of maintaining desired traits then.

    but even so, based upon the germination, viability of seedlings, appearance.... I would have to say the second example is further away from the accepted norm for the species

    How are yours doing btw?
    How is the Heli doing for you?

    I really wish I had started a month earlier..... ugh


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    The second plant looks a lot more like a jalapeno plant to me.
    Joshua from PA
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    http://www.terraforums.com/forums/sh...923#post933923

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    Butch, don't rub your eyes any time soon . . .
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    Second one, if labeled correctly, is a Naga Jolokia. Not a BHUT Jolokia. The Naga Jolokia is an Indian PC-1 pepper. Will not produce the nasty bumpy pimply pods that you are seeking. It is going to produce pods that look like a Thai Chilie. Like these below.

    Not my picture

    http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c298/jarvass/111.jpg


    This is a true Bhut, from my stock.




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    jolokia

    In the ebay link you provided for the second pepper it leads to the ebay page and it does state NAGA JOLOKIA BHUT DORSET CHILI. I've got bhut jolokia and some peter peppers on a heat mat now for 9 days and they're just starting to germinate. I'll compare my plant to yours when it finally starts to grow.
    there is a pleasure in being mad, which only a madman can enjoy!

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