Last edited by chibae; 09-03-2011 at 04:51 PM.
I'm always surprised anyone believes it is any of their business what other people do in their bedrooms between consenting adults. Not being a christian I can say I have never committed a "sin", and neither have any non-christian homosexuals. If they are not my beliefs they mean nothing to me EXCEPT when people try to force their religious laws upon a secular people through legislation.
Here are some good links about the "gay gene"
I love lamp...
I humbly apologize, I thought we were still in Thez's thread...... I was wrong, BUT my beliefs are still what i said.
I'm not christian either, I was just saying
just my personal observation, but i find "coming to faith in Christ" and "coming to out of the closet" to have very close parallels to each other...we know about the stories of homosexuals being repressed, persecuted and killed, but you never hear stories of christians being repressed and persecuted, but they do exist.
there are those who have been disowned by their families and friends because of their belief in Christ, there are those who are mocked and cursed at because they love Christ. but there's more than that as well: in other areas of the world, christians are set on fire, beaten with ply boards, spat upon, thrown in prison, beheaded, etc etc etc... and yet most of the world doesnt seem to care...seem familiar?
most people hate christianity based upon the assumption that it is another strict oppressive religious system that is based of fear...but in truth, TRUE christianity has always been rooted in love. the christian's motivation for forsaking himself, and dying to himself and living for Christ is spurred because he understands the price paid for his soul...he understands that apart from Christ, he has no communion with God and is actually at war with God. God being good and just has every right to destroy him, but chose to place divine wrath on His Son, so that communion with God might be restored and the eternal consequences of sin are dealt with completely. this is love: while we were still yet haters and enemies of God, God took the initiative and gave sinners His only begotten Son. there is no room for a high and holier-than-thou attitude here, for EVERYONE is in need of mercy from God, whether they recognize it or not. (i suppose i just outed myself as a christian on TF. )
I see the political correctness police have been here..the other thread wasnt just locked, but it was deleted outright! thats typical..as long as you "think the right way" you can say anything you like..but opposing viewpoints will be (quite literally) deleted from existence..*sigh*..so much for tolerance.
I had composed a long reply to go into the other thread..since its now gone, I will post it here..since my opinion generally agrees with the "right way of thinking" it will probably be allowed to stay..here is what I wanted to say in the other thread:
Im a Christian..and I am totally 100% in favor of Gay marriage..
not being in favor of it is, IMO, very unchristian..
here is how I see it:
In order for something to be a sin, EVERYone should able to commit it right?
(not counting young children, or people of impaired intelligence..but "normal" people who understand the concept of right and wrong..)
So lets take some classic sins:
wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, gluttony, murder, adultery, etc..everyone agrees those are sins.
I am *capable* of committing ANY of those sins..it is physically possible that I can commit any those sins..
the trick is overcoming temptation and NOT sinning..but technically any person, male or female, is *capable* of commiting any of those sins..that is what makes them sins!
they are a CHOICE..sins are a choice..we can choose to commit them, or choose not to commit them.
But homosexually?? am I *capable* of committing the "sin" of homosexually?
actually no, I am not..its impossible..I could commit a "homosexual act"..but that is not the same thing as "being gay"..So why am I incapable of "choosing to be gay?"
its simple.. because I was born "not gay"..
by a quirk of my development in the womb, I was "born straight"..I cant do anything about it, its just who I am..I am utterly incapable of "choosing to be gay"..So..how can being gay possibly be a sin??
It cant..its impossible..how can there be a sin some people can commit, but others are incapable of commiting? it cant happen..that is why homosexuality is not a sin..its utterly ridiculous that people actually think people "choose to be gay"..just ask any gay person who has ever lived if its a "lifestyle choice" or if they were gay from birth..there is no question people are born gay..
So for those two reasons:
1. I cant commit the sin of "choosing to be gay"
2. it's utterly obvious gay people are born gay.
The only conclusion is "God created gay people"..therefore there is no way he can be "against them"..
just like He couldnt be against any race, or people with blue eyes, or red heads..
So why do some people think the Bible "proves" that being gay is a sin?
I cant fathom why they even care..
the only thing I can think of to explain it is..its the only thing they have to "justify" their personal bigotry..
People misinterpret the bible all the time to uphold bigotry..in the 1960's when school integration was taking place in the south, people had protest signs "proving" that God didn't want black children to be in the same classrooms with their white children..what was the proof? yep..bible verses.."separation of the tribes" or something like that..its in the bible! this is the EXACT same thing..
First black people were a subclass with less rights..
Then women couldnt vote..
in many states it was illegal for a white person to marry a black person up into the 1960's!!
this current oppression against gay marriage is the last great gasp of organized bigotry in America..it too will soon fall, as it should...
Thats my opinion..stated as a Christian and a Republican!
there are a lot more of us than you think..
(and no, my post is not intended to be an "entry" in this contest! Im against the blatant intolerance and hypocrisy shown by the deletion of the other thread, "intolerance in the name of tolerance".."you MUST respect ALL opinions and choices! (except for the opinions of White Republican Christians..they are evil..)"..which is so typical from the left these days..so I dont want to be a part of the giveaway.)
My CP page: http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/scottychaos/CP
Last edited by dashman; 09-03-2011 at 11:41 PM.
I don't think the removal of the last thread was so much about politcal correctness and intolerance to opposing views (although I would call it hateful and hate should never be tolerated, as the quote in my earlier post points out, by allowing these intolerant views, children learn it, and so the cycle of hate never ends. There's a fine line between disagreeing responsibly and blindly opposing)...I think it was removed partly so it didn't overtake THIS thread, which it was, and because of the poor presentation, it was quickly escalating to a flamewar, so it was removed before people could get their pitchforks.
But even now, people are taking their differing opinions into this trade thread that's of a decided opinion, because apparently, their parents never taught them "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all"
Much love to the great lady Zu for doing this<3
I'm really wishing that people would keep their issues out of this thread. This is not the place to sound off, and doing so in this manner is honestly disrespectful and has nothing to do with the giveaway.
Being her plants to give away, Zu is allowed to set her own criteria.
I'm sorry that the other thread was deleted, but the reactions posted here are unnecessary. You are actively undermining the safe-space this thread provided.