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    Quote Originally Posted by Heli View Post
    Wow this is a great read. My family is considering moving to europe what with this country in shambles. If Rick Santorum becomes president though, that will be the icing on the cake and we will be leaving.
    He wont be. Obama will 'win' again and keep up the change and hope that we all voted (or didn't) for.

    But going to Europe is still a good idea... Maybe, depends on where in Europe you're talking about.

    I personally would like to flee to South America, but it just so happens I am patriotic so I will probably be riding this out...
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    It turned out that my initial response to the political blog spawned a bunch of ad hominem attacks (over twenty -- primarily jabs at my patronage on the personal response page) and at my woefully inadequate level of intelligence; that I could not recognize or appreciate the sheer wisdom of a "power elite" (an actual phrase) to determine the quality of any given idea. What immediately leapt to mind was South Park's brilliant lambasting of San Francisco, "Smug Alert," wherein the populace was so narcissistic that they were even enamored with their own flatulence.

    It is golden and all too true, sad to say: http://www.southparkstudios.com/clip...francisco-town

    My last response to the study:

    This is an all-too effective authoritarian tool for those in power, and for those who desire to keep it. No longer do we simply deal with an ideological divide among our populace -- a simple, respectful difference of opinion or orientation; but we now deign it to be an actual lack of intelligence -- an inability to recognize the supposed wisdom of some Orwellian or Huxleyian power elite. This attitude has been at the heart of every totalitarian regime of the twentieth century, from Bolshevism to National Socialism to Amway; and the article even suggests that the unwashed dolt can basically be trained to "appreciate" the value of some political ideal, basically "re-education" in the the mode of the Red Chinese or Khmer Roughe -- that he can learn to love Big Brother, as poor Winston Smith did, defeated, at the close of "Nineteen Eighty-Four."

    Who is to ultimately decide the inherent value of an Idea; and who are to be its Grand Arbiters -- or Grand Inquisitors for that matter? Ideas? We're not talking about an empirical, measurable issue in, say, organic chemistry, to determine whether -- among the choices of azidobenzene, benzonitrile, or nitrobenzene -- which will be the deadliest or more redolent of bitter almond in a laboratory setting? Maybe trans-2-hexanal? Nothing is ever set in stone and ideas vary with politics, the hemline, weather -- the ebb and flow of pubic hair; and the social sciences (if we are to include psychiatry among them, as many do -- at least where it overlaps with psychology) have had a critically poor track record. Consider that homosexuality was still on the DSM as aberrant behavior as recently as 1973; that various forms of mental illness were routinely "remedied" with shock treatment, crippling pharmaceuticals, and even lobotomies.

    Grandiose ideas are not necessarily grand (consider Machiavelli or Fascism in any of it subtle guises); and the notion of whom to trust, whose ideas truly warrant attention, is chief among them . . .
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    With education in shambles it's not surprising people are too stupid to understand basic ideas, most especially political manipulation at the hands of their leaders. The solution of course is to close up all the schools and have our parents beat us black & blue with bibles until we become enlightened!

    They went after the "eggheads" and "elitists" back in Eisenhower's day as well (those were the slurs they hurled at educated people back then) trying to make intellectualism a dirty word. My how times haven't changed! We will only see more attacks on educated people as the campaign progresses. I'm very shocked at the GOP turning on women as they have, eliminating 40% of the voters from voting for you right off the top is a bold move!

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    We really don't have to look beyond our own nation and history to find authoritarianism: slavery, institutionalized racism/segregation, sexism, homophobia, deportation of native tribes, Manifest Destiny and imperialism, American Japanese internment camps, McCarthyism, loyalty and "Patriot" acts, Islamaphobia...all touted for the "greater good" of America...

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    "I've always considered the 'power-elite' to mean me and my friends. Once you begin to think that way, the credence you put towards conspiracy theories drops considerably."
    -Robert Anton Wilson

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    Quote Originally Posted by swords View Post
    With education in shambles it's not surprising people are too stupid to understand basic ideas, most especially political manipulation at the hands of their leaders. The solution of course is to close up all the schools and have our parents beat us black & blue with bibles until we become enlightened!

    They went after the "eggheads" and "elitists" back in Eisenhower's day as well (those were the slurs they hurled at educated people back then) trying to make intellectualism a dirty word. My how times haven't changed! We will only see more attacks on educated people as the campaign progresses. I'm very shocked at the GOP turning on women as they have, eliminating 40% of the voters from voting for you right off the top is a bold move!
    Perhaps there's some confusion: the problem was that the attacks were from supposed "elites" in San Francisco, all of whom were ready to show off their bona fides (some very impressive) -- and were supportive of the article's view that “very smart ideas are going to be hard for people to adopt, because most people don’t have the sophistication to recognize how good an idea is." The ******-simple idea of honest disagreement with a given issue is never even considered ; agree with the view of the Cornell study or you're somehow deemed ignorant -- or worse, incapable or recognizing one's own incompetency. Doublethink? A Catch-22 . . .
    “Sì perché l'autorità dell'opinione di mille nelle scienze non val per una scintilla di ragione di un solo . . ."

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    I see, not having links to read the study for myself or the other thread you are talking about to read I was a mite kerfuffled. But in every field there are fundamentalists, just gotta weed out the crazies if you have the ability to do so, which probably means reading more of their studies to see what else they have to say.

    Even KEW went a bit crazy a few years ago and tried publishing a report that basically said "(any) plants with hair on them (Petunias for example) trap insects in the hairs, the insects fall to the ground and decay, and the plant absorbs nutrients from the dead insects on the soil. Therefore plants with theirs are defacto carnivorous." I don't think anyone bought that. They've probably done their best to hide the study!

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