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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey View Post
    Wouldn't this mean that linking to basically ANY website regarding CPs is against the rules seeing that most have a list of vendors? i.e. Barry Rice's website having a list of vendor's links?
    Not true. It would probably need to be direct or intentional. Anything else would be someone searching on their behalf.
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    That's the thing "probably" These rules simply aren't detailed enough to allow for exceptions. You either break the rules, or you don't. It's all right there. The rules say: "Links to websites promoting or engaging in the previously mentioned topics." This includes the discussion of outside vendors. Cut and dry.
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    Game over?
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    Okay, I love this forum. TF stands out as one of the best forums on the web, full of wonderful, skilled growers who are incredibly generous. But, it sometimes seems like the rules are a bit strict. Especially the one about not posting about vendors. I believe that this is the one rule that is driving the most people away. I hate to see long term members like exo leave because of this rule. Perhaps it should be repealed but that decision lies with the owner.

    Otherwise, I appreciate that the conversations are kept clean for younger members so that everyone can be involved in this great hobby!
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    Alrighty- I'll try to clarify a few things... Some clarification is that there is no clarification because there are some exceptions.

    International vendors- (one of those fuzzy things) Pretty much allowed. Even Wistuba. Why? Well, EP and things don't typically sell directly to the USA, you must get their plants from another vendor. Wistuba does sell directly here, but if you were to pick up something I have from there, you have all the extra fees so it really doesn't compete with my market (as pointed out, is pretty basic right now). The vendors OF EP plants, not allowed. Because they also sell what I have and so are essentially competition. In fact, there are topics in the Foreign Carnivorous Plant Resources section of the forum on where to get CPs in Canada and such, which I use to refer people to when they contact me for sales to those countries.

    On wider selection of plants: They come and go as I have them available... Many are listed and gone within 2 days, I don't even need to post here that there are new plants in the store (and so usually do not). Also, I'm working on something... but no details on that.

    Healthy competition: Sure, that could be good.. but at the same time, I hate a forum that is slathered in ads, for myself or others... If I allowed conversation of other stores, there would be more mentions for other stores, than my own on this site. This site is crawled by thousands of unregistered users every day for information. Just by having those links on my pages is possibly pointing those people to other sites. Now that topic may be for some super rare nep- but that person researching a Venus flytrap, sees that, goes to that site and finds they have Venus flytraps also and buys from them.

    The rule isn't really there for you guys, the experienced members of this forum that likely grow way more than I even have in my personal collection. It is there for those thousands of people that visit for info on a basic plant and are not bombarded with the links of other vendors. I have thought about a private forum that only registered users can see, maybe even after so many posts or something where they could talk about other vendors but there are three problems there that are apparent right away.
    1) I cannot have one forum using the word censor to block those names and another to allow them.
    2) I feel like it would be even harder for members to maintain a "not on the open forum" mindset for vendor names on the rest of the forum and it would leak into the other forums.
    3) If for some reason it didn't work, taking it back would be asking for a ton of trouble. Look at the trouble it causes as a rule in place for 10 years!

    As has been said, if you feel need to PM someone where to get that plant, or where you got yours, go for it. We do not monitor Pms I don't care what you do there... What is done and said there doesn't affect that huge margin of people passing through these forums every day. Keep it off open forum, that's it.

    As to pages that have lists of vendors.... uhm... that's one of those fuzzy areas again. The barry Rice page is very informational and I wouldn't ban that from being linked. But to another forum that is supported by a store and has ads all over it for such is a no go. To someones personal page for some information.... if it is blatantly obvious that there is sales there, basically a seller's site with some info. no. Use your internal judgement on that... or you can ask me or a mod. But just a site, that SOMEWHERE has a list of vendors on it is not a problem unless you are linking to that page or something.


    I love how people act like the no vendor rule is new. That rule was in effect on this forum before I even purchased it and took it over when it was ran by another store... and I did that back in.... (checks records) Aug. of 2006 (that's when I actually took possession of the forums as my own). So, quite honestly if someone wants to act like it's this new imposed rule out of the blue and not participate in this forum- more power to them. Hopefully they can find a forum that fits what they're looking for, that's the great thing about the internet!

    Actually for that matter, the rules really haven't changed other than some clarification from the rules that were in place from "way back when" but this is not the first time "censorship" has been called on terraforums, it went through that at least once under the old ownership as well. And I'm confident it will happen again at some point. Here is a good topic about it from 2007 if you have nothing better to do: http://www.terraforums.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=108474

    As to chat moderator: Everyone is a chat moderator! (and forum moderator ) if you see something that doesn't belong in the chat, copy and paste it to me and it will be reviewed. See something on the forum that doesn't belong? Use that cool little "report" button on the lower right side of the reply box and it is sent directly to the moderator forum and our email boxes for review.

    Uhm, I think I covered it.
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    Let me start by saying that I completely agree with you for the no naming vendors rule. I didn't understand why it was enforced until you explained about the non-members that view the site.

    I have a suggestion, not sure if it's been brought up, but it seems like a legit idea... What if the vendor name was blocked for non-members, but the members could see it? That way, it would direct the non-members for Flytrapshop and it would give the registered members good advice as to where local places are that sell CPs. I have checked out Flytrapshop and it looks great as far as quality and prices, but I'm only looking to buy Nepenthes, and to narrow it down even more, I am usually looking for a specific species or hybrid. So maybe if the rule is only to direct the non-members to Flytrapshop, you could just block the vendor names from them?

    Just a suggestion, not sure if it would even be possible.

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    Good clarification Andrew!
    Terraforums is the most active CP forum that I am aware of and I think exceedingly well run and moderated. As you know, I am Admin on the ICPS Forum and our rules are much more restrictive -- you must be registered as a member and approved by an Admin to post and we allow no sales or trades -- simply because we wanted it to be a different experience. The result is we have only just over 2000 members and a little over 32,000 posts. In contrast, Terraforums has more than twice the members and over half a million posts!

    People that quit a forum because they don't like the rules are just hurting themselves. Personally, I find Terraforum rules to be quite reasonable.

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    I agree with the rule but for totally different reasons

    I was a co-owner of a forum many moons ago.... wasn’t Cp's but doesn’t matter.
    When you allow vendor names/recommendations/reviews you invite turf wars., its a fact of life.

    People by nature will become loyal to vendor "A".... Eventually someone will make a post about getting burned by vendor "A".
    The next thing that happens is those who are loyal to vendor "A" feel it is their public duty to get involved.

    People then become "passionate" and things soon spiral downhill from there.... with the poor person who got burnt having their honor and integrity questioned and chastised.

    I’ve been around the block a few times and I’ve seen this happen more times than i can count.
    Early on in my membership at TF Andrew and I chatted about this a couple times....
    I felt then, as I do now.... the no recommedation/vendor name rule is the lesser of two evils.... by far.

    Having a no vendor name/review rule is the best defense against this happening.

    Personal vendor recommendations are best left as that.... personal.

    Just my 2 cents and Im sticking too it :P

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