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    nepenthes seeds from far away lands

    i have been seeing a lot of nepenthes seeds on a popular auction website. all of these are being sent from south east asia. first question are these most likely wild collected? if not what are the chances of them being viable once they arrive?

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    most are collected in the wild. and viability depends on how fresh they are. some will say the date collected in the info section of the item.

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    You are best to stay away from most of the sellers. If you don't import the seeds legally - with Phytosanitary Certificate and/or Plant Protection Quarantine Permits Customs can seize your package. You can face up to 6 years in prison and/or $250,000 in fines for violation of Code of Federal Regulations and US Code Title 7 (Agriculture) as well as US Code 19 (Customs). Some of the sellers are offering endangered and protect species without paperwork.

    Even if you do import these legally or manage to get them in illegally the USDA and Department of Homeland Security has in the past gotten lists of US customers and sent Federal Agents out to check everyone on the list.
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    o i see.....

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    As you would expect, this topic has been visited more than a few times on the various forums, here's another thread ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Number View Post
    You are best to stay away from most of the sellers. If you don't import the seeds legally - with Phytosanitary Certificate and/or Plant Protection Quarantine Permits Customs can seize your package. You can face up to 6 years in prison and/or $250,000 in fines for violation of Code of Federal Regulations and US Code Title 7 (Agriculture) as well as US Code 18 (Customs). Some of the sellers are offering endangered and protect species without paperwork.

    Even if you do import these legally or manage to get them in illegally the USDA and Department of Homeland Security has in the past gotten lists of US customers and sent Federal Agents out to check everyone on the list.
    So if you buy seeds on ebay from a international seller, you must have the right certificates? Or can they just send the seeds through the mail? Seems like lots of people have gotten seeds internationally from better sellers, but this is the first time I've heard about this. I thought as long as the seeds were not CITES, they are legal.
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    All Nepenthes are protected by CITES Appendix II or stricter, however. And you often still need the customs for shipping plant material of any kind, due to restrictions on letting possible invasive species in, amongst other things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dueoka View Post
    So if you buy seeds on ebay from a international seller, you must have the right certificates? Or can they just send the seeds through the mail? Seems like lots of people have gotten seeds internationally from better sellers, but this is the first time I've heard about this. I thought as long as the seeds were not CITES, they are legal.
    The fact that people do it, does not make it legal. This simple fact is willingly overlooked by many people. Sometimes the sellers will even tell people that it's legal to do this. They have nothing to lose & your money to gain - why wouldn't they say this?

    As NaN states, there are permits & inspections required to legally bring in any plant material to the USA. A decent discussion of the permits required is available in this thread.
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