I Am the Terror Of the Night!
I hate to say it, but when I entered TerraForums it was because of an interest in giveaways. However, after actually searching around the forum
and getting to know people, I feel that this place is a remarkable base of knowledge with many interesting personalities to match.
I found it to be a much more valuable community and information network, and I really like it here. Its a very unique site that nobody will replicate.
I intend to be here for a while and giving away unusual and exotic plants in the future for the community to experience as well, however growing takes
a bit of time and I do feel that Im overdue for a giveaway myself. Many members here have shown me great generosity from an early point, and I would greatly like to
return the same some day. Like many other members said, giveaways do attract other people. Some good, some bad. Generally, most members that take time and actually
stick around here have a great deal of value in the community, no matter who they are. Not all noobs are bad people..
Initially Joining TF, I could tell this site has been around for a good amount of time, and it was apparent that activity has begun to dwindle. Searching
through posts from a year or two ago, it seems that many more members were around, very friendly and helpful to all. Warm and welcoming.
However.. now it seems the community is quite a bit smaller and is more divided. Its extremely petty to have arguments over the internet and hold a grudge. I think we should embrace each others input and thought, as there is not only one way to do everything. An array of info is what leads to new discoveries and processes. We're all here to learn and help each other in a wonderful hobby. Not to make it more difficult and unfriendly.
Internet sites have their depressions and their peaks. I have wandered the internet for many years, and I enjoy talking with members, hence why I sit in the chatbox. Ive watched many a great site become corrupt and shut down because of communities
falling apart in activity depressions. The important thing is to embrace each other and try your best to get through it, because it can come back but it depends on the current members ..like seeds to a new generation. Given proper care and good choices, Terraforums will bloom again.
Last edited by NemJones; 11-01-2014 at 03:19 AM.
I too have no plans to stop giveaways. I enjoy the feeling of giving without condition and receiving someone's else's gratitude and enthusiasm. From time to time, I enjoy having that same feeling in reverse. And I greatly appreciate all of those folks here who have given me plants to get started, and those who have traded with me (and continue to do so) along the way. You know who you are, take a virtual bow or give yourself a figurative pat on the back. I really appreciate it. If there is a hiccup or two now and again, so be it.
It seems this discussion is somewhat falling prey to generalizations and a tendency to shift stated examples towards a less granular state. To that end I would like to refine some things I have said and think:
- I have not approached plant/seed donations with grand expectations - I give away spare materials with the hope that people will use the donation to learn from, and many recipients will make mistakes and not all donated materials will survive to become prime specimens, I realize that and that is acceptable. My goal is to share what I can and give people an opportunity to learn how to care for specific plants without feeling any pressure and without the outlay of outrageous sums of money.
- If I have decided over time to place conditions on my giveaways - restricting donations more to friends and people I have evaluated as "more likely to succeed" and/or requiring the recipient give something back to the community (pay-it-forward), its because I have all too often had a recipient show an attitude of entitlement - or worse - express ingratitude for a plant I have given completely free of charge. Thats right - I have actually had TF members contact me after receiving a gift plant solely to complain to me about how I packaged the plant, how small it was, how I didn't ship it with soil, etc, etc. To be specific: I've received a number of messages from recipients which in one form or another express how the gift did not meet their expectations!
- If I had to cite a reason for my dissatisfaction with the giveaway process, it is for this kind of rudeness alone. Its not because I expect every recipient to instantly become a masterful horticulturist or some other outrageous expectations, its because of the occasional display of grotesque entitlement and rudeness. Its the One Bad Apple Syndrome. If you cannot at least say "thank you", then you will never, ever receive a gift plant from me again. Its that simple.
If I have any expectations of this community at all, it is simply this: learn how to be appreciative when someone gives you something for free, and express that gratitude. Nobody is entitled to anything here - its only going to succeed as a community if participants play nice, respect each other, and learn how to apply basic good manners to their interactions with others. There is no slight or offense I have ever been exposed to that could not be salved by the simplest expression of appreciation in the form of these two words: "thank you".
Last edited by Whimgrinder; 11-01-2014 at 09:13 AM.
100% agree with the post above. and this thread is taking a weird twist. my intentions were not to cast a cloud over the community or to swear off supporting the community. For those that have traded with me already know, I am very generous with my plants. I will give almost anything away that I have extra. I have sent plants to people even if they hint at wanting it in their colletion, without looking for anything in return. I dont understand the concept of a fair trade. If I have a box going out it make it worth the trip to the post office.
its not "giving" that has because the issue. Its the "receiving" party....
If your grateful and dont steal from me I have no issues. I dont see a problem with that kind of thinking.
Alas, my rant is over and I am sure I will be hosting another giveaway, and many more in the future. If this thread does anything at all I hope it makes people aware that simple respectable gestures goes a long way.
Last edited by Jcal; 11-01-2014 at 10:16 AM.
I totally hear your guys' points.
For whatever reason I am lucky enough to have never been confronted with such rudeness! Maybe its because my collection and the plants I have given away have always been kind of modest.
Either way, I think this thread is a great discussion. It's one of the better humanistic conversations about this forum/hobby that I have seen in a long time. I am confident that a certain segment of the "receivers" will see this thread, hear everyone's points and we can hope that they will change their behavior for the better.
I see where you guys are coming from. If you are not ecstatic to receive or care for plants mentioned in a giveaway, you should probably not participate. Give someone who cares a chance lol.
When I receive a giveaway I usually post the arrival in the original thread and let everyone know how awesome the person who gave it to me is! Pay forward the forwarded.
As a mostly now member to this form and hobby I seen this coming and have stopped signing Up for give a ways my collection is small with nothing to give back so I started to feel like a mooch so I'm just buying plants now that way everyone gets something. And as far as not contribute it's a little intimidating to newbies to post are small sometimes sick plants but some of us do try. I've learned more from this site then any other that's y I read more then post that's my 2 cents
Completely off topic but something the newer people may not be aware of, if you simply left click the username on the left of a post and click the "View Forums Post" option it is really easy to sort of the moochers from the newbies. Do they have an introduction thread? (I never made one ) There are lots of threads about how you are growing your plants, a great place to showcase your small collection or ask a few questions. Contributing can be as simple as asking a question, you have to remember all those lurkers out there reading these forums and not posting they also benifit from questions. Just please do a search before asking, answering the same question 4-5 times a month gets old.
Originally Posted by jwalker
Sign up for the newbie type giveaways, that is why they are there. It is expected for the newer people to have nothing to give back for a few years.
I'm new to the forum, but really enjoy it so far. I just won a beginner giveaway from Cthulhu138 and am stoked. Looking forward to when my plants get big enough to cut up and pay it forward.