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    75 thousand plants a week!

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    75 thousand of those die a week, have you seen these plants at your local chain stores....1/2 dead for $1...Hybrid Phal are just about the easiest orchid you could possibly grow and still they die by the thousands in these stores. Producing that many easy to care for Phals, and the US not being overran by these plants simply means they are getting killed or someone is hording them!

    They did the same thing with a few of the CPs, think death cube...not a route we want to encourage.

    Just imagine a massive factory producing some rare Nep by the thousands and your local chain hardware store selling it for $25...It would be dead before the Christmas trees die in there care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSS View Post
    75 thousand of those die a week, have you seen these plants at your local chain stores....1/2 dead for $1...Hybrid Phal are just about the easiest orchid you could possibly grow and still they die by the thousands in these stores. Producing that many easy to care for Phals, and the US not being overran by these plants simply means they are getting killed or someone is hording them!

    They did the same thing with a few of the CPs, think death cube...not a route we want to encourage.

    Just imagine a massive factory producing some rare Nep by the thousands and your local chain hardware store selling it for $25...It would be dead before the Christmas trees die in there care.
    While I agree in the sense that I hate seeing life made expendable, think also of the species that have been taken from the brink of extinction or rarity by tissue culture. Despite the downside being that it doesn't do a good job at preserving genetic diversity, artificial propagation has enormous conservation potential. I'm thinking of things like Dionaea (I don't think anyone can argue it'd have been poached to death long ago without the death cubes) as well as the most recent discoveries of Heliamphora and Nepenthes species. Things can go from being completely unknown to science to being in the hands of collectors in a matter of years. That is just unheard-of for most of human history. While as a society we don't get everything right, this is one of the things we can use to benefit nature rather than simply ourselves.

    Here's another anecdote. I have many gardening friends who started loving plants because they came across a half-dead plant on clearance. Sometimes an orchid, a flytrap, african violet, japanese maple, and so forth. No prior knowledge; just the fact that it was cheap encouraged them to try it. I think it'd also be worth taking a poll to see how many of us in this hobby started off with a death cube flytrap!

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    I have no problem with a plant being mass produced even if most of them die. The life of an individual plant in this situation is of little consequence. Certainly not equal with the life of one in situ from a survival of the species point of view. I can rattle a half dozen species of tropical fish off the top of my head that are completely extirpated and exist solely in aquaria. Suitable habitat no longer exists, due to either destruction, or more often introduced species. If hobbyists and fish farms didn't churn out these fish they'd be gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RSS View Post
    Back when Utric. graminifolia was in high demand I sold off enough of it to expand my grow area massively. In the process I tanked the market.
    The laws of supply & demand are here for all of us to watch. When supply for a cool / new / interesting plant is limited, price soars (ie: mature eddy or RHH). Since the overall CP market is small, we can often watch supply & demand real time. RSS had one example with how he personally tanked the market for U. graminifolia (which was actually a crossover into aquatic plant market). A few years ago, a Colorado grower did the same with Petiolaris (especially D. falconeri). When he started to supply plants that were previously unavailable in USA, prices were crazy. As the small CP market got saturated, some of his auctions didn't even get any bids.

    When I sold some plants for charity earlier this year, N. tenuis fetched a higher price than N. hamata (over $300) due to the fact that it's in short supply in USA. Let a few more mature plants hit the market & the price would probably be cut in half (if not more) since the overall demand for this species is very small.

    Many people start growing CPs with delusions of getting rich selling their spares. This just doesn't work with a niche market - demand is too small. The biggest TC company (BE) supplies the world (so their market is a bit larger) & they work to be very efficient (grow in a climate with low utilities & personnel costs).

    In the last 3 years we lost the two largest suppliers in the USA - Paroubek & Catalani. One of the other larger suppliers moonlights part time at a car dealer to help make ends meet.
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    I think with the orchids they have become a semi substitute for cut flowers. Probably purchased with the idea, "Hey its alive!" But with the knowledge it probably will die. Or be scrapped in some fashion. I used to see orchids with spent flowers often at garage sales for a buck. I got a BIG Sharry Baby at Trader Joe's a couple weeks ago for $13 or $16. That seems insane. And kind of amazing too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pearldiver View Post
    I think with the orchids they have become a semi substitute for cut flowers. Probably purchased with the idea, "Hey its alive!" But with the knowledge it probably will die. Or be scrapped in some fashion. I used to see orchids with spent flowers often at garage sales for a buck. I got a BIG Sharry Baby at Trader Joe's a couple weeks ago for $13 or $16. That seems insane. And kind of amazing too.
    Let's face it, if you buy a Phal in bloom you'd have to really try to get the blooms to fade before a bunch of cut flowers would. And with the price( I know a place where I can buy Phals in bloom for $5 all the time) it's better bang for the buck.
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