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    Argentina Grants an Orangutan Human-Like Rights

    I started a bit of an argument on Facebook with this but I think it's an important step.

    Funny that it took a "2nd or 3rd world nation" to make this important first step. But I fully support it.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ent%3A+News%29

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    If other places follow along, it will change a lot of things. Zoological institutions, amusement parks, etc.
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    And I (for one) have no problem with that at all!

    Shut those people down!

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    I'd like to see institutions that work with sentient or intelligent animals make their approach more on the animals terms.

    I have no objection to people working with sentient animals, but it should be, I guess voluntary on the animal's part.

    Kinda like some of the seaside places that work with wild dolphins. They are not caged, and can choose to come and go and see people as they see fit, but are not forced to do so.
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    I think if they wore born in captivity they should stay she won't now how to fend for her self. I think they should set better rules so the animals are more comfortable. On top of that with out some of these zoos some animals would go extinct. I'm pretty shore pandas are a example.

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    Zoos are good at saving large, iconic animals. The rest get thrown under the bus. We still have hundreds of new extinctions very year. If not thousands.

    Not that's that entirely the fault of institutions. They are funded largely by visitors (many are non-profits) and people are not interested in seeing or conserving anything that isn't large and iconic - like apes, pandas, big cats, etc.
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    I am disgusted by zoos which cage large primates. I was very excited to see the silver back gorillas at the Como Zoo, until I actually saw them. Once I did I was no longer able to divorce myself from the idea that they are only a few chromosomes away from myself. The pity I felt was so bad I was almost restrained from attempting to crack the glass. It is absolutely abhorrent to me that these creatures are kept in captiviy, and I have had many animals in captivity in my terrariums (crabs, mantids, phasmids) but there was something about them, in their eyes perhaps, I just could not see any reason for their captivity. I have had an anti-captivity opinion ever since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swords View Post

    Funny that it took a "2nd or 3rd world nation" to make this important first step.
    I bet the Argentinians will be delighted to learn they are rated 2nd or 3rd world. I wonder who qualifies in the top tier.
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