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    So rare species can be grown by those of us without a large setup? Wonder of wonders! I don't understand why people DO use methods emulating the natural habitat do that then. If these plants can be grown like this, why spend all the money on a fancy setup?
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    Nice write up Thez , I grow my nepenthes as house plants too as I didn't like the idea of viewing them through condensation in a terrarium . You say you keep them on the dry side because of fear of root rot , I was wondering if you have many shrunken lids on the pitchers as that's what seems to happen to mine if I don't water them in time

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    Indeed, I can't seem to grow a lid on the N.robcantleyii for the life of me. The rest of the plants are fine though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katya_dog1 View Post
    So rare species can be grown by those of us without a large setup? Wonder of wonders! I don't understand why people DO use methods emulating the natural habitat do that then. If these plants can be grown like this, why spend all the money on a fancy setup?
    I do attempt to emulate their environments; but they are a bit more tolerant than most believe. It does get cold at altitude in SE Asia; and I once had a partially filled nalgene water bottle freeze, while camping in Borneo near 3000 meters . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by katya_dog1 View Post
    So rare species can be grown by those of us without a large setup? Wonder of wonders! I don't understand why people DO use methods emulating the natural habitat do that then. If these plants can be grown like this, why spend all the money on a fancy setup?
    It's about expectations. I can't grow Nepenthes, but I sell a lot of goldfish and for the purposes of this discussion they're exactly the same. People ask me all the time if they can keep a goldfish in a bowl. The answer is of course yes. As long as they don't expect it to reach its full potential. If they want it to get 14" long and live 40 or 50 years, more attention to its needs is required than that needed for mere survival.
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    It is indeed interesting to see how much "abuse" these plants can take. Their goal is to reproduce, and they'll do their best to accomplush that even if conditions aren't what they are in the wild.

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    Well, after a PM to Thez_yo I'm going to try this.


    One thing I am wondering about though-- If these plants can grow as intermediates (as exhibited by the pictures shown) how come they aren't found at lower elevations in their natural habitat? Perhaps they can grow well in warmer conditions for a time, but once they are fully mature they need a nightly temp drop?

    Here's what I see-- The plants would naturally occur where it is best to grow them, right? You don't see Flytraps growing in the Midwest, right? But you can still grow flytraps there (and in a gigantic range of conditions, from desert to swamp.)

    Obviously, flytraps will do best in high humidity, high temperature and lots of sun as in their natural habitat, but they don't NEED it. So I'm thinking it could be the same with Nepenthes.

    If this reasoning isn't faulty, what this leads to is that highland Nepenthes can grow in a much wider range of conditions than where they do in the wild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubRosa View Post
    It's about expectations. I can't grow Nepenthes, but I sell a lot of goldfish and for the purposes of this discussion they're exactly the same. People ask me all the time if they can keep a goldfish in a bowl. The answer is of course yes. As long as they don't expect it to reach its full potential. If they want it to get 14" long and live 40 or 50 years, more attention to its needs is required than that needed for mere survival.
    If you're defining in-situ as full potential, the wild outdoors has even more problems than my balcony.

    My plants don't get eaten by large herbivores, don't get used as a scratching stick or play toy by wild cats, don't get bulldozed to make way for a casino, don't have fires rip through their grow area, etc. ad nauseam.

    They also *do* get regular watering, their pests controlled or eliminated, trained up stakes so they don't bend and snap, artificially fertilized so all seed pods have a chance to ripen, etc.

    It seems like most plants have a symbiotic relationship with root bacteria or fungus to boot, e.g. the root tincture Av8tor1 uses on his Heliamphora or the bugs required to start orchids growing from seed, so growing in an absolutely sterile environment might actually be a bad thing. It's weighing the negatives versus the positives. In my situation, putting in a grow tent introduces a heat problem. If I have a heat problem, I have to provide a fan or AC, in which case I have to re-up the humidity and then add a humidifier. In stead of growing my plants a little dry, I now must pour money into 3 different devices (tent, fan/ac, humidifier) to re-create slightly better conditions. In comparison to growers who have plants in more humid conditions, my plants have tougher stalks and leaves, smaller pitchers, and are shorter. I'm ok with that because I have limited space anyway.

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