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    North Carolina Regulations on Rare Carnivorous Plants
    (as of April 2000---updates appreciated)

    Sarracenia oreophila, S. jonesii (S. rubra subsp. jonesii), Dionaea muscipula (Venus flytrap), and Utricularia olivacea are legally protected species under the North Carolina Plant Protection and Conservation Act. The Act is administered through the Plant Conservation Program in the NC Department of Agriculture. The Act states that it is unlawful "to possess any protected plant, or part thereof, which was obtained in violation of this Article or any rule adopted thereunder."

    Convicted violators are fined $100-$500 for a first offense, $500-$1000 for subsequent convictions. "Each illegal movement or distribution of a protected plant shall constitute a separate violation," says the Act, and for continued violations the court may determine that each day in violation constitutes a separate violation. Also, for second or subsequent violations, the Plant Conservation Board may levy a civil fine of up to $2,000.

    Venus flytrap is listed under the Act as "Special Concern" (i.e. not endangered or threatened, but entitled to regulatory protection because their exploitation could get them to the endangered-threatened stage). Regulations define Venus flytrap as "Any plant of the species Dionaea muscipula INCLUDING CUTTINGS, ROOTS, FRUITS, SEEDS, PROPAGULES OR ANY OTHER PLANT PART" [emphasis added] and state,

    (b1) Venus Flytraps may not be uprooted, dug, taken or otherwise disturbed or removed for any purpose from the lands of another without a written permit from the owner which is dated and valid for no more than 180 days except that the incidental disturbance of protected plants during agricultural, forestry or development operations is not illegal so long as the plants are not collected for sale or barter.

    (b2) Venus Flytraps may not be uprooted, dug, taken or otherwise disturbed or removed for any purpose from public lands in North Carolina without a written permit from the agency which is responsible for administration for such public lands. [At this time, no public agency is issuing flytrap-collecting permits at all, so in effect flytraps cannot be lawfully collected from public lands.]

    (b3) The Replanting of Flytraps. All persons collecting flytraps from the wild are encouraged to plant the seeds of collected plants, if any, in the immediate vicinity of where they are found.

    (b4) Any person collecting flytraps on the lands of another shall, at time of collection, have on their person written permission from the landowner, as required under G.S. 106-202.19(1). [i.e., (b1) above]

    (b5) Possession of freshly dug Venus Flytraps on the lands of another shall constitute prima facie evidence that the plants were taken from the same land on which the collector was found.

    (c1) No person may sell or offer for sale Venus Flytraps unless they have been lawfully collected, propagated from lawfully obtained stock plants or seed, or collected from one's own land.

    Besides the requirement of landowner's permission, anyone selling or exporting VFT's needs a Collected Plant Certificate and/or a Nursery Dealer Certificate from the NC Dept. of Ag. Plant Protection Section, in accordance with our Plant Pest Law.
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    Hey, you don't have to read what I post![/QUOTE]
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    I don't know why we have to talk about a nursery that had a history of selling plants that were collected from the wild and there is no differnt if it from privete or public lands. I think not buying from them is the right way.
    If you Nick like to do so and save few $$$ do what you like I hope the rest of us wouldn't.
    seems to me like you try to bring this topic up and send people to buy from PPN. I sure most of us can have better places to get plants from that we sure aren't wild collected.
    and if any owner of land have some CP in his land which he want to get reed of I do hope he could find a way to transfer them to other area's or botanical gardens.
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    Hey...I think I found a new way to have fun here! I can help start things and sit back and watch all of you duke it out for awhile. What entertainment! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img]
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    Perhaps times have changed, but in the late 70's I personally visited this nursery. I was offered .50 a head by the owner to collect Sarracenia seed pods, and the owner also tried to offer inducements of rare material in trade if I did this. Although Sarracenia were not at that time were not protected (and still aren't), I can assure you that habitat impact was as real then as it is now, and this person was well aware of the fact. It just didn't matter. Whether it was "legal" does not enter into the issue as far as I am concerned! It was not ethical then or now, and the owner knew this. His comments of how "all cultivated plants were originally field collected" was/is pure BS. There is a vast difference between sensitive INITIAL collection, and the continuing wholesale rape of habitat. Perhaps the owner felt the condemnation of the CP community and has altered his business strategies, but I for one doubt very much that their profit margin would allow them to stay in business for so long if this were the case. In any event, this practice whether current or former, has ensured that I will NEVER do business with the likes of them. Is it really worth it, to save a few measley bucks? BAH! Do as you will, but please spare me the continuing pain of this misplaced defense. What we have done in the past makes us what we are now, and consequence of past actions does come home eventually. [/QUOTE]

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    I don't know why we have to talk about a nursery that had a history of selling plants that were collected from the wild and there is no differnt if it from privete or public lands. I think not buying from them is the right way.
    If you Nick like to do so and save few $$$ do what you like I hope the rest of us wouldn't.
    seems to me like you try to bring this topic up and send people to buy from PPN. I sure most of us can have better places to get plants from that we sure aren't wild collected.
    and if any owner of land have some CP in his land which he want to get reed of I do hope he could find a way to transfer them to other area's or botanical gardens.
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    arie, tamlin you guys are my favorite mods today. you have said exactly what i have been thinking sice this topic came up. thanks for speaking my mind.
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    Let me get this straight. We have a nursery which has no way of producing plants on their own (as they never have) and so are forced (in their own opinion) to field collect to get plants if they want to make the profit which they are making. Thus, since we don't support field collecting so we refuse to sell them tc plants as another alternative. I just don't get the logic. Would'nt it be better to sell them tc plants and save the ones in nature?? I say if pp wants to resell tc plants let them. It's better then them selling field collected plants. Is there some harm (that would come from this) that I just don't see?

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    Noah, the plants they wanted to purchase were Red Dragon VFTs and Cephalotus. Neither of them grow in the wild in the USA. Welll...a few Red Dragons might but they'd be scarcer than hens teeth. Cephalotus are an Australian species and therefor not found in the wild here in the USA. They are most easily bought from another nursery.
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    Hi Nick and all the others,
    When we visited Atlanta botanical garden last month, we were informed about a stand of Sarracenia rubra ssp. jonesii being completely stripped of all the plants there, likewise another bog of oreophila. These were managed sites by ABG and from a conservation point of view a disaster. All I can say is boycott places which does not offer artificially propagated material. Its as simple as that. If PPN cannot guarentee that, then buy from places like ********** etc which does tissue culture etc, that way you support a sustainable CP supply.
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