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    Well, I thought I would check them out again. Submitted my order on 8/24/2002 and received it today ( 8/30/2002 ).

    What was ordered:

    (2) 5-10 year old VFT bulbs ( common )
    (1) S. leucophylla rhizome

    Condition of package was good. Plants are bare root as indicated. The 2 VFT bulbs were sent in moist peat moss. Size of bulb is about 1 inch in diameter.

    The S. leucophylla is a bare root rhizome. Labled as Sarracenia leucophylla. Plant appears to be 2-3 years old from size of rhizome.





    This packaging is similar to what I remember being sent 12+ years ago when I last ordered.

    On the box is a New York State Department of Agriculture and Markets Nursery Registration Certificate.

    Thought I would check into the nursery again. I was not offered to collect any plants for them. I was just sent an email with my order and shipping date.

    Once again, I don't see the problem with this nursery. I have been a happy customer both times I have ordered. One was 12-13 years ago, and the other was today.

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    From what I hear there is rumours of illeged field collecting going on with that "other" nursery. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img] So far from what I've been able to tell...that "other" nursery is quite the taboo amoungst many here! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
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    The rumors are true. In my experience at least...

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    well, just for everyone's information : Tissue culture venus flytraps are small(er) than those in the wild as general rule. If you have a flytrap bulb that is 1" in diameter, it's either a cultured plant that they've sat on for MANY years (which is unlikely), or a plant from the wild. Just think about what you paid for that plant and if it's a price that warrants a nursery holding on to for 5-10 years. Probably not. Just my thought.

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    Another thought...

    Wouldn't a nursery that collects from the wild be out of business by now? After all, it is illegal to collect wild venus flytraps. I am sure with all the complaints people have had against them, the authorities would have looked into it by now.

    “Convicted violators are fined $100-$500 for a first offense, $500-$1000 for subsequent convictions. "Each illegal movement or distribution of a protected plant shall constitute a separate violation," says the Act, and for continued violations the court may determine that each day in violation constitutes a separate violation. Also, for second or subsequent violations, the Plant Conservation Board may levy a civil fine of up to $2,000. “
    ( http://www.sarracenia.com/faq/faq2640.html)

    Either this company is very good at hiding its field collecting practices or it’s not field collecting.

    Tissue culture is the way things seem to be going. Peter Paul’s has not changed it prices in a very long time. It is possible that they have grown plants for such a long time that they have planned very well for different ages of bulbs. Planting 30 years ago would have yielded many 10+ year old bulbs and many younger bulbs. Just because someone doesn’t do it the way the modern nursery does, doesn’t mean they are field collecting.

    7:30 PM 8/30/2002

    Called Peter Paul's Nursery and asked them a few questions. The lady that answered the phone was very nice and happy to hear from me. I told her I just received my order and was happy with it. I also informed her that I was discussing the nursery online. I asked in passing if they field collect and she said they do not field collect. I did ask for her name but was passed onto another employee (male). Although not as friendly, he was happy that I got my order and that I was pleased with the quality. When asked about field collecting, he said that it would be impossible to field collect plants that don’t even grow naturally in the area. Furthermore, it is improbable that a plant field collected from another area would be able to be shipped in a week; let alone the 3 days it took to receive my order.

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    GAH!!!

    They don't do the collecting personally!! And yes I know it says 'and distribution' of illegal material. Keep in mind that most Sarracenia are not protected and if they are they are not protected from the land owner collecting at his free will and doing whatever he wants with the plants.

    Don't you think its a bit odd that plants which should be in full growth in the middle of the summer are dormant and leafless?

    Why? Because they get in a batch of plants. Repack them and toss in the fridge till they get sold.

    Any idea what it costs to run a nursery?? If they have been growing these plants for 5, 10, 15 years or more before they have been sold. There is no way in the world they would be making a profit at the prices they offer.
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    Quote (NickHubbell @ Aug. 30 2002,7:47)
    When asked about field collecting, he said that it would be impossible to field collect plants that don’t even grow naturally in the area. Furthermore, it is improbable that a plant field collected from another area would be able to be shipped in a week.[/QUOTE]
    Yes but he could have field collected plants growing at his nursury. Field collected Leucophylla,VFT,Etc etc etc.

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    Every nursery has different costs of operation. Some places have plants that command a higher profit than other plants. As far as field collecting goes, who is to say they are not farming their plants. We all get corn from fields. Tree nurseries don't grow under glass. They grow in open fields. Who is to say they don't have fields of carnivorous plants growing in cultivation.

    Also, I noticed that the most complaints came about in 1995-96. that was 6-7 years ago. Things have changed since then. From the tone of the posts, they are the “Oh, Oh!, I forgot to mention this...” Seems to me someone was upset with the nursery and was making things up. Do you really think someone would take the time to dig up plants for $0.50 each? You have to be kidding me! It wouldn’t be worth anyone's time to do that. Perhaps what was indented as a joke was taken seriously. I once was asked to list things on ebay for a antique shop. The fellow offered me $0.50 for any item that sold. What a joke! I would spending 15 minutes listing an item for 50 cents and he sells it for $100. Do you really believe that someone would dig plants for 50 cents knowing the guy sells them for 13 times that amount. Think about it people!

    As for the plants being dormant. How do we know they aren't purchased from mass growers in the States or overseas? They could import mass quantities of jumbo vft bulbs and store them until they sell the plants. Same goes with other types of carnivorous plants. These all could be imported in such quantity that they can sell them inexpensively to us.

    The prices of their other plants are on par with other nurseries. The VFT is the only plant I have seen that is less expensive on their web site.

    Plants being mislabeled... Ok, so they were mislabeled. Call them up and tell them you didn’t get the plants you ordered. Not once did I see a post that said they did this. No one came out and asked them for a replacement plant.

    Another comment on the size of the plants. SUPERthrive boasts that you can get two years growth in one year. Perhaps they have found this to be true.

    The plants that I did order do have leaves. the larger leaves have been cut off. Each vft has one new leaf forming and the Sarracenia has one small pitcher starting to form with a smaller one just behind it. The larger pitchers had been removed.

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