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    I too have been reading the listserv and keeping up with the latest debate. While I think some comments were unnecessarily harsh they do raise a very good point. We are all capable of typing a few words into a search engine and finding some of this info ourselves. Remember, these guys aren't paid to do this.. they do it in their free time and out of their kindness and concern for the plants and their future. How many times can we expect them to answer the same questions? How many ways can you tell some one not to use tap water? Or why their VFT's traps are turning black? Do some research.. search this site.. search the Carnivorous Plant FAQ Show the more experienced growers that we newbies can do some of the work ourselves and meet them halfway! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]
    If you need advice on where to search.. ask! Read Tamlin's post above and search the site you're at right now. There's tons of wonderful information right here on **********.com..
    Just my two cents [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]

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    No. I am not angry, far from it: I enjoy helping. This is more in the line of "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he can feed himself." I just want you all to make an effort to learn, because it enriches you and adds dimension to this hobby. If the answers are hard to find, I may know them, and of course will share. Or, perhaps you will teach me. I don't know it all by a longshot. The more research that is done, the better all way around.

    I do not favor a section for newbies only. Newbie is a generalization and as such is automatically meaningless. We are all newbies, and as we learn, we all have something to teach. I am very much a newbie with most CP species. My expertise lies with Drosera species and Utricularia species. With Pings and Neps I keep my lips zipped and my ears open.

    CCRider: you can get freeze dried souls in the shoe department of your local walk in freezer. Keep them in plasticine envelopes until needed. Not as good as fresh souls, but.........
    "Grow More, Share More"

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    nice addition to point out the search button [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]

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    William,

    before taking the criticism of ********** to serious, please do think of whom is posting them - and now I do follow your mothers advice...

    Being a moderator of the german CP-forum I can tell you, that we do also have lots of people not searching our forum or the web prior to posting their questions. First I did not understand why this happened, but when you do see youngsters starting aged 10 years or even younger with CP and also being new to the internet - well they simply haven't got the chance to learn how to do this right. This is not true for all those youngsters, of course and yes there are much older ones, still not knowing how to do it. But I do think it is totally up to us to show them, how to gather information they are looking for without asking 'silly' questions!

    From what we learned a good FAQ does cover most of the absolute beginner-problems and does help very much. What I would think of being very nice for this forum would be a FAQ-section in every category (i.e. as fixed first thread) which should be regularly updated by the moderators, the experts in their field - and with the help of the members of course. This would make it easy for new members to check out their questions in there, because they know the information is right and they know it will be easy to find. (This is in no way a critic on Jeff's and Phil's approach to create a FAQ! - But I do think this will be just too much work for them.)

    Joachim Danz

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    do the freeze dried souls come super thrive induced, or are they el natural? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/img]
    follow your desires, even the spur of the moment has its purpose in life!

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    Joachim,

    Point taken, mom's are always right, Lol. (My distress was momentary). I guess I just have a soft spot for newbies because I remember very well starting out myself. I completely agree with you, teaching the skills needed to find the answers is what is needed, not discouraging comments about questions being "stupid" or people being "lazy".

    The concept of a FAQ is a good one, and as the members of PFT continue to grow, it will probably become a necessity. Fortunately, for right now there is still room for more personal contact. I like the personal contact: it shows the world to be a friendly place, a fact easily distorted by political and media agendas.


    CC Rider: what do the C.C. stand for? Always wanted to know that. As to the freeze dried, super thrived souls: just check the label (written in latin to avoid confusion).
    "Grow More, Share More"

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    i used to be in a motorcycle club, that was my nickname for them, just kinda stuck since then, lol, also, it goes into ref. of that ol elvis [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]


    ccrider

    (its also the first initials of my name, how that all worked out i dont know, ironic&#33[img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img]

    oh yeah, bout the souls, LOL!
    follow your desires, even the spur of the moment has its purpose in life!

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    I do not understand what the point is of this topic? I do not want to be rude. I have no problem with new people posting questions that repeat. Why? New people come to this forum everyday with new ideas.

    As for FAQ's it is really nice but not every one is going to check it (example me). I realize it is a great tool but when I was new to the forum I really never looked at it (sorry). My thought was here is a forum in which you ask questions. It is nice as a guideline once you become formulize with the setup.

    I also use search engines to further my knowledge on cps before I ask a question. But sometimes it is good to ask a question even though it has been answered by other websites. Of course I can not think of a good question right now (not good for my defense [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img]) If you want me to come up with an example say so and I will.

    I have reviewed the topic over and I am still confused [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/img] ? Sorry. I am here to help - weather I answer the same question 10 million times - at least that means I helped 10 million people and I am happy [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] .


    travis [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]
    \"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.\"
    -- Oscar Wilde

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