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    Recent posts on the CP listserve were in regard to some of our members reliance on spoon fed advice, when, with a little effort the information can be had from a good websearch; these comments about "lazy" newbies have made me a little wroth. (Wroth is the pleasant way of saying *moderated by Tamlin*) So, I hope that since the whole world is watching our conduct here at PFT, that new growers ("newbies") will demonstrate that this is not the case.

    I did a little pondering, and I think some of those comments were sometimes on the mark. The information is out there in cyberspace, but, not everyone is skilled at websearching. This is a suggestion for a method that will let you often answer your own questions as to how to grow a particular plant. That answer is always tied up with how a particular plant grows, and where!

    Personally, I would not accept a species into my stewardship and care that I did not already research. I like learning about the climate and place where the plants grow, it helps me tailor conditions as closely as possible to the plants habitat and preferance. Little things make big differences in the culture of these plants!

    This is one method I use. Say I want to grow a species of Drosera that I have never grown. Lets take an example.....Drosera burkeana will do, but this works for any genera. My first stop is to visit the accurate and up to date CP database at:

    http://www2.labs.agilent.com/bot/cp_home


    Then I type in the Genus and species name. If you get a "No match found" it means 1 or 2 things: either you typed the name mis-spelled, or the name is not a legitimate species.

    The most recent published account is listed in boldface.
    The reference tells you where the description is published, and more importantly for growers, where the type plant was collected. In this case we see Magaliesberg as one of the stations where the plant was found.

    Going to google search, I now type in "Magaliesberg climate", I check the "travelouges" under "climate" and quickly get a view of the plants world: in this case Magaliesberg proves to be mountainous, and this tells me nights there have a good temperature drop. I like to take it as far as I can, so I would also research the other location sites, and see if they all have similar elevations: if so, the temperature drop may well be a requirement, not an option and vs vs.

    A plus to this, is you will find that you pick up a lot of the global picture in this research process. The geography, climate and commerce of South Africa in this example. Pretty soon you get to feeling like a world traveller!

    So, by visiting the CP data base and then typing the collection site ____ and adding the one word "climate", you can access the habitats of almost any species of CP. Often many species are rare or difficult in cultivation, only because the habitat factors were overlooked.
    Knowledge is power.

    Next step is to run a general search on "Drosera burkeana cultivation" and explore the links generated by this. Eventually you will find Archives where the very questions you have asked were already answered, possibly by many different growers.

    I encourage members here to check this out. Many of us will never set foot anywhere near to many of these habitats, and this just adds another fascinating dimension to growing these plants with a green, not a black, thumb.



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    [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] sorry [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
    i thought you were angry at us for asking stupid questions [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
    cool thing i found the Edit.

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    hmm, im a new comer here, and from my internet experience i can tell you, theres a lot of bogus websites out there, thats why i kinda feel more comfortable asking questions here, because the people here are tried and true, like you for instance, we just got a good source of information from you that will help a lot, less gamble coming from you because, 1. your a moderator, and 2. your living experience, not a gambling bogus website search, so your info, just knocked down a lot of searching for a lot of people, i think the " stupid questions" has led to this bit of information, the real topic i think is, if you dont ask questions, your only as smart as you can learn, or as limited as your tongue, just my opinion, one of a newbie, thats all, oh yeah, we were all newbies at one time or another, about everything [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]

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    HI Ccrider,

    You're most definitely right in your post. We are or were all newbies... which makes this forum great! I dont' think there's really anywhere else you can go and get the information you get here as a beginner.

    I think Tamlin makes a good point though. I saw the topics in which he refers to in the ICPS list serv. They're a bit harsh but not far off from reality.

    WE get a lot of people in here that if they took even 10 seconds to search THIS site, they'd find the information that they're looking for. And if they don't ... certainly ask! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img] But it is true. We get repeat questions all the time, which can get annoying, when you know the info is in the archives... and the search button is at the top of EVERY page.

    So, yes... some people are lazy. Some people just need to learn to dig a bit... but if you have a question, don't be discouraged... ask away! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]
    Phillip J. Crane
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    Just a note I did not see the search function till about a week ago. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] You really should feel sorry for those people who are hoplessly lost in their own little worlds, we are people too ya know [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] they are pleasant places most of the time but hard to get out of. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]

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    so true, people should read up here more, i spend about 20 minutes a day here now! lol. but, i think it would take days just for me to read through here. im learning a lot, but have so much to ask [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] i think its a lot like lets say, an electronics store, if 20 people come in and ask about the new sony recievers out on their shelves and reps help them, they keep coming back, because the customers are saying to themselves, oooo, nice! warm! cozy! oooo! and they come back for more products, thats my favorite place for electronics, they will always be there to help! now instead, same scenario, but!, reps say, tsk! dont be so lazy! look on the box! check the sales papers! call sony!, i think i would, and so would most people, go to another store, those reps are rude! mean! viscious! lol, well, not that bad, lol, thats why i love this place, **********, has the help, and the warmth, and the, oooooooo, cozy! feeling, that makes you comfortable, and want to come back, for info, and plants, and acc. thats why i rate this site #1 its not the quantity of plants, its the quality of this site, its A #1! maybe a newbe forum page is in order? put all beginner question stuff there? knocks a lot of the tension out of the air! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/img] just another thought, until my plant needs more fresh souls...mwahahahaaa

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    ccrider1016,
    Be kinda hard though to keep the newbies seperated from the old bees. As you pointed out, we were/are all newbies at one time. I consider myself an old hand at growing VFTs. I have never had trouble growing them (once I quit useing tap water). But sundews and Sarracenia are new to me this year. So with them I'm a newbie and having to learn them and their preferences. It's nice to have the forums to get answers quickly.
    Maybe Phil and Jeff can light up that search button to make it more visible. It took me a couple days to find/notice it, too. Just when I gave up, there it was in plain sight [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] .
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    Ok guys [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img] You got it.

    I'll work on getting the search more visibility... and making a few efforts to get people to serarch first for basic questions [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]
    Phillip J. Crane
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