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    Shouldn't we stop on this war? I mean there are enough wars in the world nowadays. We need to swipe the slate clean and start back where there was a fresh positive attitude. And besides Phil created this website for us, let's not let him down or abuse this site or it'll be gone.

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    Hey fellow members, something interesting is about to happen!













    We are going to move on. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]
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    I kind of have to look for the humor in all of this (it's my nature). This is a carnivorous plant forum. Isn't that funny. Let's all get back to what we do best.
    There's a tunnel at the end of the light...

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    I know Matt very well. If he tells you he was not insinuating anything by his post, then he is telling the truth. He is not a liar and neither am I. None of you know him so how dare you prolong this matter insisting that he meant to insult you moderators when he did not and he clearly stated he did not. If you left the thread intact, maybe more people would have initially misinterpreted his words, but they would have been able to see, based on his reiteration, that his sense of humor did not translate as he intended and that some people got offended based on their distorted view of what he said. This turned into something it should not have become based on some people's a lack of respect and appreciation for a very important community member. Perhaps he is not so important here on this forum, but that does not at all justify this. The actual thread is what this SHOULD be all about, NOT a personal attack which is still being continued by moderators and the owner of this site. This is what I most strongly object to and I feel that this is what will cue others to leave this forum as well and take their business somewhere where people are given the benefit of the doubt and not slammed for being misunderstood.

    I am sure that Matt does not need to participate in this forum in order to feel a sense of self worth. I am also sure that none of you would appreciate being told what you meant to say without being given the opportunity to speak. You are STILL trying to discredit him and it's very troubling. Matt's reason for contributing to the thread was solely to teach people to respect others and the result has been a shameful shower of disrespect upon him.

    Purplesundew, the thread on the CP UK forum was locked to prevent further unfair judgments by people who did not know the facts. This is what caused the now deleted thread to escalate. Matt's posts were obviously viewed as valid by the fair moderators of that forum and his thoughts were allowed to remain, which is the difference between the CP UK forum and this one. Here, in light of recent events, it is becoming clear that there's a twisted sense of self importance felt by some moderators and that they will do whatever they can in order to strong-arm others into silence when they should be allowed the right to reply to insults. Maybe you didn't see RAM's blatant and unnecessary abuse of Matt, but I did and I would have been furious had he said those things to me, just as I am furious that you are all backing him up here when the situation was absolutely mishandled.

    Plantakiss, you are absolutely right. Some people here do not know all the facts, and, with all due respect, you appear to be one of them, as do most of the people who have been most vocal in this personal attack.

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    Like Phil said, other people are NOW hearing *one side* of the story AFTER the issue was closed here. If that happened in a court room, you'd be outraged.[/QUOTE]

    Exactly, just as Matt should be outraged that he is not being allowed to tell his side of the story here and to reply to these continued accusations he tried to reply to before. Matt is an intelligent person. Let him back in here to explain himself, if he even wants to be any part of this terribly slanted forum anymore, and hear what he has to say. That's the only somewhat FAIR solution at this point. There is no fairness in misinterpreting his words and intent, which were hastily deleted by a trigger happy moderator in an effort to eject him. Sundewmatt is a very knowledgeable member of the CP community, who I should add has a lot more knowledge and experience than most moderators and forum members and happens to be a very nice and helpful person, IF you treat him with the respect every human being deserves. Don't chase him into a corner as people have clearly done here now and in the past and expect him to smile back at you.

    How can you say there was no personal vendetta involved when several of the moderators have cited Matt's previous disagreements here as evidence that he deserved to be banned? He was clearly not banned from this forum based only on his contribution to that thread. When the thread was still up, one moderator insisted that posts are never edited unless they contain profanity and quickly thereafter, his post was removed (read edited) by a moderator regardless of the fact that it was free of profanity and totally contradicted what another moderator insisted was fact. Maybe this forum would be better with only one moderator so that there is more consistency, resulting in a more believable perspective. Instead, this appears to be a of a bunch of friends getting together and trying to defend one another for unfairly bashing someone when their misperception of the whole situation is one sided and inconsistent with the facts.

    If you did not want "Mr. X" to explain the situation elsewhere, then you would not have shut him out to prevent him from explaining himself HERE on this forum. The audience in the other forums is not totally unrelated. Many of the prominent CP growers who read this forum read the others as well. How can you blame someone for wanting to clear the air to erase the terrible picture you are still painting of him?

    I don't care whether moderators are paid or not. The same can be said for us people who contribute to this list, no matter how small the contribution, and every single one of us should be treated with the respect you and I would like to be treated with. I won't contribute here anymore because you are seeing things only the way you want to see them and your hostility and misjudgment is all too evident to any intelligent, unbiased onlookers. Your site might be important to you and the kids who seek answers to beginner questions, but the fact that you not only disrespect but also exclude an intelligent member of the community and then continue to talk negatively about him indicates that this is not a place where I would like to contribute anymore.

    Matt has told me that he does not have time for all of this and that he is considering discontinuing his involvement in the CP community because he feels it has become more trouble than it is worth dealing with people's egos and the resulting conflicts. This would be a real shame and I hope for all of us that this is not the case, but after this incident, I can definitely understand why he would make such a decision.

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    I say again...we agree to disagree. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img] Everyone has a right to their opinions. I stand by what I said.

    NOW...back to the plants! I have a newbie PM that needs attending to. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]

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    So, how is the weather around the globe? Sunny and warm here in Nebraska!

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    I think maybe the rules here are not specific enough..

    I am a member of several on-line forums, and one is TOTALLY peacefull! and yet is also very active..

    the rule is simple.."this forum is about garden railroads..period..no other topics"

    so sometimes people stray and bring up OT topics..like during the recent war sometimes topics would stray into politics and get very heated..the moderator would step in with "you all know the rules..if you want to talk politics thats fine, just take it elsewhere..email each other directly or find a forum about politics, there are billions of them..this thread is locked"

    then people cool down and drop it..and the conversation gets back to where it belongs..that one simple rule keeps things VERY peaceful! and people simply dont WANT to talk about anything other than trains!

    Maybe this forum needs to be "CP topics only"..even lose the "general topics" forum where *anything* can be discussed..or make it "general CP discussion"..personally I dont CARE what anyone here thinks about politics or anything else! I wouldnt mind if ALL threads here were about CPs only..if that simple rule were made, it could be enforced without question..

    "this thread is wandering off topic, it is no longer about CPs, it will be locked now"
    end of story! in that case, the moderator is simply enforcing the rule that EVERYONE agrees with! no room for debate, no grey areas..

    also, personal attacks or rudeness warrant a locked thread..even if the arguement is about CPs! (although usually when personal attacks start, that automatically becomes "off topic")

    also, IMO a thread should NEVER be deleted outright! that only feeds the controversy and makes things much worse! because people then begin to speculate about what happened, and the "truth" (being the thread in question, and everyones actual words) are gone..thats bad.

    only profanity or swearing should be deleted outright..all the "fights" should always remain..just lock the thread, nothing more..

    thats my view.
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    What the heck is Censorship,

    I don't want to get into polotics because My head hurts when I do. I just hope I ain't gonna be in Jury duty in my later years [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]

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