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    Scot,

    I agree with most of what you are saying. Matt probably did add comments which were not necessary, but he felt they supported his points and had a right to express himself because it did support the thread and did not initially violate guidelines. He also decided to add some humor others didn't get. RAM went off on Matt because he misunderstood and had previous "beef" with Matt and it was totally uncool. Then others jumped in like it was a free-for-all. This is not civilized behavior. It would have been one thing to say "end of discussion" but to say it after throwing false accusations and scolding Matt for something he did not say or do only added insult to injury. The right to free speech and lack of censorship should have been allowed and this would not have become what it has. Here, on this very forum, there is a one-sided presentation of something which others here are criticizing Matt of doing elsewhere, not because he wanted to, but because he was FORCED to take it elsewhere in order to be heard. It is disturbing to see people are still ignoring that which Matt stated as fact (his intent), if they even had the opportunity to see it before it was removed.

    SOMEONE here must have a copy of the entire thread, no? If not, WHY? I agree, it's extremely important to arm people with facts instead of feeding them with propaganda.

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    It would have been one thing to say "end of discussion"

    Locatonis, THAT was tried. Matt didn't comply with the requests and he was also told to take this up privately and he further did not read what was being told to him nicely.

    because he was FORCED to take it elsewhere in order to be heard.

    he was not forced, he had multiple chances to re-think his future actions but he had to insist he was right on all his accusations in the topic.

    That's all I have left to say. Belive what you must belive and think what you must think.

    All in all I am putting this behind me, suggest we all continue on with this hobby.

    Have a good day everyone.

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    Do some of you people not understand the words Enough or Move On??!!
    When a topic is locked by a moderator it is an attempt to calm that subject down and let it die a natural death. I do not understand why everyone feels so compelled to comment on what was a very personal matter and never should have been public in the beginning. The thread was removed because there were personal attacks that should not have been publicly aired. Why in the world would this board leave such comments for all to see? It was not censorship...it was to preserve peace here and avoid this forum getting a reputation as a place you can come to personally attack another individual and/or the owner of this site. The free speech issue is nonsense. Even in America you cannot yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater when there is no fire. Nor can you incite a riot by speech. And believe it or not there are reasonable limits and rules that can be enforced by someone who privately runs a forum such as this. All members here are given huge leeway with comments and opinions. No one here cares if people disagree but personal attacks will not be tolerated. This is not the place for that type of action/behavior. This is a community built and based on friendship and kindness.
    For those of you piping up on a subject you do not have first hand information and all the facts about....well...that doesn't even make much sense. But you are welcome to your opinions however misinformed they may be.
    This entire subject really does need to be put to sleep. I personally am annoyed by it being opened up yet again in spite of requests to let this matter rest. Once again, can we please Move On, Move Forward!!
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    Matt has been offered the opportunity to post again.

    That's all I have to say in the matter.

    heh.. get it MATTer.

    lol

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  5. #37
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    Greenhouse1,

    You accused someone of making what you misstrued to be a personal attack. This is something you say you feel does not belong on this forum. However, you are now justifying the much harsher (and actually intended) personal attack moderators (RAM and others, possibly yourself) here made on the person they wrongly assumed was attacking all of them. This is hypocritical. You can PM me if you need help understanding this.

    Everyone has been ignoring this quote I made:

    "It would have been one thing to say "end of discussion" but to say it after throwing false accusations and scolding Matt for something he did not say or do only added insult to injury. "

    Please PM me if you don't understand so I can clarify.

    Then you said:

    "For those of you piping up on a subject you do not have first hand information and all the facts about....well...that doesn't even make much sense. But you are welcome to your opinions however misinformed they may be.
    "

    I can assure you, I have all the first hand information I need as I was fortunate enough to read the thread in its entirety. That includes the deleted posts which few people were given the opportunity to read.

    I consider a thread closed once people have acknowledged what I have said. This means reading it, understanding it, and taking my factual account of something as fact. Not as something to be overlooked because of biases which have been allowed to effect the way in which a member of this community has been treated. Matt is right for attempting to fix a situation which others intentionally distorted.

    Locking a thread only draws more attention to the fact that there is in fact censorship going on in this forum and is an insult to anyone who appreciates intelligent debate. This is a discussion of something which occured here and the way moderators mishandled it. Nothing about my contributions or those of the other opponents to your stand in this thread or matter should be seen as improper or not deserving consideration and a proper reply. The only comments which were out of place here were the ones continuing an attack on someone not given the ability to defend himself.

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    locationis, are you Matt?
    There's a tunnel at the end of the light...

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    Dyflam,

    Is it the fact that someone else sees the situation for what it really was rather than what moderators turned into that makes you think I am Matt? Give me a break! If ever I want to get my thoughts here deleted, I will pretend to be Matt!

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    hahaha Oh I find some of this hillarious Locationis.

    *Ugh why an I giving into this and even posting here?*

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    Matt's reason for contributing to the thread was solely to teach people to respect others and the result has been a shameful shower of disrespect upon him.[/QUOTE]

    Im not sure how exactly you figure he was trying to teach anyone respect while he was constantly disrespecting the mods and this forum but I guess you wouldnt know about that or did he share all of his dissagreeances with you before you made this decission?

    UGh ok I give up you know Greenhouse1, a few of the mods as well as some of the forum members here have all expressed their wishes to drop this you heard our side although it doesnt seem to be sinking in for some reason [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/img] what more can be said on the matter?

    Before I finish this I want everyone here to know that Ram did not bann Matt all on his own I was the one who suggested it be done. I was tired of having to baby sit his posts. Every time he came here he either tried to promote his own business and sales or pick apart the mods. Why would we keep him here? I didnt see a reason to, the bad outweighed the good. So please realize that Ram was just doing his job I assure you he does not enjoy having to put on his Admin hat and having to boot people from this forum.

    Sorry Ram Im not sure why you are taking all the blame here.

    Now with that being said please note that it was not just the thread in question that we made our decission on. Im sorry if you do not agree perhaps for a second you could try and put yourselves in our shoes. If that doesnt help in seeing the whole picture and you still believe we mods are a bunch of censoring tyrants well then Im sorry.



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