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    Angry

    No offense to any of the moderators, I do thank-you for the hard work you do. However, due to the censorship and banning taking place at this forum, I am re-thinking my participation. I have no idea what took place, but I keep hearing how awful it was. I teach sixth graders, trust me, I can take the controversy and the general horror that took place with the thread. If this forum wishes to manipulate, censor, and lock-down threads, then I urge others to join the International Carnivorous Plant Society forum, and I will be limiting or not participating in this forum. Life is not always full of roses or pretty events, however, we should not try to insulate ourselves in forums that are made out to be a utopic society. For the sake of this forum, and for free speech in this world, please allow a discussion of the events that took place, before more members decide to leave.

    Jeremy Roy

    P.S. My original request to see the deleted threads that was locked-down, has been deleted. Please do not make any complete judgements based on this post alone.

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    Jeremy,

    I have nothing but respect for your position, which you made eloquently and with a good amount of thought. However, my position is a little different. I'm a long time forum participant, especially on "Politics" and "Religion and Ethics"-type boards, and I've seen first-hand what happens on unmoderated boards. Unfortunately, these are not like regular conversations among people. The internet affords an extra component of anonymity and insulation from accountability, and unfortunately, people take advantage of it. I've seen perfectly good boards with intelligent and good people totally self-destruct due to just a few bad apples. I've come to the conclusion that there is an appropriate level of moderation that is needed in public bulletin board services. In general, that amount is minimal, and I've seen boards go the other way, with power-hungry moderators going on banning sprees. Nothing will kill a board more quickly.

    I missed the offending thread that started all this also. I have no idea what it was about. But I haven't seen any evidence that the moderators aren't doing the right thing, or that they are undermining the free flow of information and ideas. This board is as civil and friendly as pretty much any I've seen, which I think is due in part to the fact that we all share a common interest, and that CP people are generally superior. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img] I may be wrong, but I don't think this place is badly run.

    And, I'd point out that your post was there for me to read.

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    I read the thread everyone is talking about and I have to say I agree with the mods. What started out as a good post went bad when a (now banned) member couldn't discuss his opinion in a mature, thoughtful way. He insulted others and continually used a condescending attitude that wouldn’t be tolerated by anyone in person. I agree with Capslock- people tend to use the “anonymity and insulation from accountability” to say things and behave in ways they would never get away with face to face.
    What some are calling an "attack on freedom of speech" I see as a moderator doing their job. Everyone here deserves to be treated with respect and if people can't do that and leave personal grudges off the board (where they belong) then they shouldn't be posting here.
    Just my 2 cents..

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    If you think we bann alot here we don't in fact we have only banned 3 members to my recollection in PFT history. Now 4. I locked your other topic as I want this to be a peaceful board, but I do see your intention now and will leave this topic open for you. I just can't see how a HOBBY like this can be so serious sometimes. Some people are great others are jerks and belive me there are alot of them out there in this little planet of ours. Most of this certain person's posts in my view were very ignorant and pompous and surly if you will. Some people that have tons of rare CP's or plants period and are ignorant people can throw their weight around and *think* they are superior to other people. Most everyone I have met both personally and electronically [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/img] are great souls. I haven't met one bad person that I directly came into conflict with. The actions that were taken also were due to the fact this person was told to take it up PRIVATELY but ignored to do so and decided to make a big eruption to the public and disrupt the whole board community. The old saying "One bad egg in a dozen ruins the batch." applys here directly. I just can't seem to understand why when someone is told to calm it down and act nicely they won't do it. How hard is it to do that? Not hard at all I say. If you can't do it you have no self dignity. *Cited from my history teacher Mrs. Molly Reilly.* I hope this in a summary helps you understand a little better what happened. If you need more info or anything else please fell free to email me or respond here.

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    NepG is correct. As a moderator myself, I am not aware of this censorship. Are you referring to the occasional "talks" in other threads when some people disrespect others or say something wrong? That shouldn't be thought as censorship, but I way to keep the peace (Make love, not war [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/img] )
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    Well, as long as we're still on the topic of this, I might as well toss in my opinion. I don't think banning the person was the best thing that could have been done - but the moderators had to do something. What happened wasn't censorship, it was simply moderators doing what they had to do to stop a flamewar. I don't like what happened, however. Even though the person who was banned can be a pain, he's just out defending himself, same as the moderators. As irritating as he has been at times on these boards, he still has much experience and useful information on raising CPs. It's a real shame he's banned, but the moderators didn't really have much choice.

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    Hi,
    As a heavily involved member of the forum, I have seen alot of things go on, a few bad too. I feel that the mods aren't doing the job they were assigned completely, and letting things go to far. I will be re-thinking my position to the ********** discussion forums as well. I hope all understand. I feel I have done my part in helping numerous people with their problems. I may continue, I may not, I will see how I feel,
    Kevin Peterson
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    I was reading the posts that eventually ended up causing a member to be banned. The biggest point being missed is that he was told to stop is current line of discussion or he would be banned for continuing. He continued and was banned.

    When I first joined this forum I started a topic that was heavely debated and eventually started to get out-of-hand. I was told to stop the discussion or be banned for doing so. I am still here because I chose to stop.
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