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    It costs more than 10,000 to run for office. I think the whole recall is a big waste and Davis should finish his term. Gooo Democrats!!

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    Yes, I am in fact just teasing. I'm from California and most of my family lives there, so we're always talking about it. And I do believe that the recall election is a DISASTER. More money than is available will be spent on this recall and the results will be more disastrous than the waste of money needed to get there. Gray Davis should be allowed to finish his term. God help us if Arnold is elected! ...talk about puppets!
    That's politics though, and some folk will do whatever they can do get what they want.
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    Hi All,

    I truly wonder what it will take to wake up the American people to the dangerous nature of the new right wing religion based Republican Party. First, they try to remove Clinton from office over a sexual act and only stop after several of them had to resign for sexual issues, along with poll after poll that said the American people could care less. (All that time and money they wasted for their own selfish unethical political goals.) Then they disenfranchise black voters in Florida and steal the election by appointment by the Supreme Court. Then they declare war because of known weapons of mass destruction which remain unseen. Then they chase the Democratic members of the Texas Legislature out of the state twice in an attempt to stack the redistricting cards so mostly Republicans can only be "elected" and even try to get the Justice Dept. (Federal Gov't) to arrest the Texas lawmakers so to suit their political and Party ends. Then they fund a recall election in California to overturn a fair election so they can hopefully use it to sneak into office amidst the circus. We won't even talk about tax cuts for millionaires, the EPA, Social Security, mixing of church and state and all the rest. We have become a right wing "banana republic" in the last 3 years only we just use money and influence to stage coups rather than the military and guns. In the 1930's they said, 'When Fascism comes to America they will call it Americanism."
    Ralph Nader said there was no difference between the Parties -- boy, was he dead wrong!!!! There is a Universe of difference. We are beginning to see what the rest of the world has known for centuries. When you allow a tiny percentage of the people to control more and more of the wealth (power) -- as has happened in America since 1981 -- and only worry about what is good for the leaders and owners of big business, what you get is what you see happening all around us here today.
    I bet the Blackout was due to deregulation and all the labor cuts it allowed (celebrated&#33[img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img] so as to increase profits for shareholders. Although, for 2 days, all they have talked about on TV is terrorists, terrorists, terrorists -- as if that can explain everything that happens!

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    I bet the Blackout was due to deregulation and all the labor cuts it allowed (celebrated! so as to increase profits for shareholders.[/QUOTE]

    Actually the blackout was caused by an old power grid. If the liberal EPA environmentalists would have allowed the government to upgrade the grid then the blackout probably would not have happened.

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    We won't even talk about tax cuts for millionaires, the EPA, Social Security, mixing of church and state and all the rest.[/QUOTE]

    Why shouldn't the millionaires get the biggest tax cut when they pay they pay by far the most taxes? I don't understand why someone who doesn't pay any taxes should get free money from the government.

    Social security was a flop because it was a pyramid system. There's suppose to be as many people paying in to it as it is paying out. But soon more people will be collecting than people paying in. This could be due to less population growth from birth control and abortion or it could just be the fact that people don't want to have as many kids anymore. It is not the Republican’s fault. By the way, Social Security was started by a Democrat named Franklin D. Roosevelt.

    Separation of church and state is made up from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson. His intent was that the government would be separate from the church, not the church be separate from the government. He simply didn't want the government to take control of the church or religion. That's all there is to it.

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    Then they chase the Democratic members of the Texas Legislature out of the state twice in an attempt to stack the redistricting cards so mostly Republicans can only be "elected" and even try to get the Justice Dept. (Federal Gov't) to arrest the Texas lawmakers so to suit their political and Party ends.[/QUOTE]

    The democrat left the state so they wouldn't have to vote. The Republicans didn't "chase" them out. The republicans wanted the Texas Rangers (not the Fed. gov't) to round up the democrats and bring them back so they could actually get some work done. The Democrats are also stalling Congress in an attempt to block all of the Bush Administration judges. Courts all over the US are extremely backed up due to there being such a shortage of judges. Republicans, under clinton's leadership, would ok judges as long as they were qualified and weren't too liberal. But the democrats won't even allow qualified very moderate republicans to be judges.

    By the way, if clinton had done his job 9/11 might never have happened. Clinton should have taken out Al-Qaeda and Osama when they attacked the USS Cole on 10/12/2000. But being a draft dodger himself he wouldn’t want any conflict, so we did nothing. But you'd never hear that on our liberal national news.


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    Yaaayy Buckeye! Nice reply!

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    I'll miss being able to vote by some 40 days but am following the election quite closely anyhow, and would love to know. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img][/QUOTE]

    Noah,

    In California, the deadline to register to vote for an election is 15 days before each local and statewide election day, so you still have time. You could also register online -- https://ovr.ss.ca.gov/votereg/OnlineVoterReg

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    Well the long and short of it is this. As long as there is this adversarial bipartison system of government, nothing is likely to change. Its truely shameful the way every time one side says anything, the opposition immediately begins discrediting and slandering the other side.. and BOTH parties are equally responsible for this. Every time an idea is brought forward there are 50 opponants who jump up and only look for negatives which in turn creates 50 of their opponants finding negatives in those comments and it goes on and on till millions of dollars are wasted and NOTHING gets solved. Why cant people just be good losers? If a Democrat is elected, then support him while he is in office, weather you be Republicain or Democrat. Work for the common good and not the good of the few who have the most money to funnel into their little "pet projects". I have long ago lost all faith in our government system, seeing the constant bickering and whining and complaining by both sides. All that is ever achieved is more unhappy people. Face it people.. no matter who is in office, someone is going to complain about the way he does his job. It sucks, but its true.

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    Quote (buckeye @ Aug. 16 2003,8:31)
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    Hi Buckeye,

    <<<Actually the blackout was caused by an old power grid. If the liberal EPA environmentalists would have allowed the government to upgrade the grid then the blackout probably would not have happened.>>>


    As far as I know the answer to the Blackout's cause is undetermined.

    <<<Why shouldn't the millionaires get the biggest tax cut when they pay they pay by far the most taxes? I don't understand why someone who doesn't pay any taxes should get free money from the government.>>>


    Your reasoning is too simplistic and individualistic. What you are basically saying is why should anyone do anything that does not suit their own interests or wishes. Society cannot work that way. Why shouldn't millionaires pay more; they benefit more from what society offers. There is not a person in this country who does not pay taxes if in no other way than by paying sales tax. Why should married people get tax breaks singles do not? Why should people with kids get tax breaks childless people do not? Why should home owners receive breaks? Why should the elderly? Again, society cannot function when ugly selfishness is presented as enlightened moral fairness.

    <<<Social security was a flop because it was a pyramid system. There's suppose to be as many people paying in to it as it is paying out. But soon more people will be collecting than people paying in. This could be due to less population growth from birth control and abortion or it could just be the fact that people don't want to have as many kids anymore. It is not the Republican’s fault. By the way, Social Security was started by a Democrat named Franklin D. Roosevelt.>>>

    SS is not a flop. Look, we have to pay to have the kind of fair, just, democratic society we profess to love. It's that simple. It is expensive and requires that we sacrifice for the good of all. We cannot have it all -- plain and simple. I want Civilization. If you want the law of the jungle have a ball.
    Hopefully, people have fewer kids because they realize the world is overpopulated with human beings. We need to leave some space for a couple of flytraps!
    Yes, SS was a Democratic idea and God Bless FDR -- our greatest President.


    <<<Separation of church and state is made up from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson. His intent was that the government would be separate from the church, not the church be separate from the government. He simply didn't want the government to take control of the church or religion. That's all there is to it.>>>

    I doubt your facts here but true or not the only way to insure a fair secular society and freedom of all worship is to keep church and state as far a way from one another as is humanly possible. If the Founding Fathers -- who were anything but right wing Christians -- failed to see this then thank God more intelligent and insightful leaders followed who could correct their mistakes.

    <<<The democrat left the state so they wouldn't have to vote. The Republicans didn't "chase" them out. The republicans wanted the Texas Rangers (not the Fed. gov't) to round up the democrats and bring them back so they could actually get some work done. The Democrats are also stalling Congress in an attempt to block all of the Bush Administration judges. Courts all over the US are extremely backed up due to there being such a shortage of judges. Republicans, under clinton's leadership, would ok judges as long as they were qualified and weren't too liberal. But the democrats won't even allow qualified very moderate republicans to be judges.>>>

    Hmmm, let's see. The Repubs led by Tom DeLay in Washington are slamming through the session a bill that will eliminate the Democratic members' districts and turn those districts into guaranteed Repub districts. The Repubs will not take "No" for an answer and could care less about the wishes of the voters who put those Democrats into office -- Nahh, you are right. The Democratics were just lazy bums who decided to take a vacation as a group to Oklahoma and later New Mexico. Yeah, that's what happened. It was all simple, clean and pure. The Repubs were just hard working honest stiffs without any political agenda or ultimate plan. Not.
    Actually, the Democratics have ok'd many more of the Repub judges than the Repubs ever did for Clinton. They fought his nominees like ####. The Democrats are only blocking a few right wing religious ideologus and bigots that Bush wants in to please his right wing voter base. It has nothing to do with justice at all. It is pure politics.
    I especially like the right wing fanatic in Alabama who Bush wants on the Appeals Court but who is now defying the law and refusing to remove an unlawful monument of the 10 Commandments he had placed in the court house. Yeah, always got to have those lawbreakers as Judges.


    <<<By the way, if clinton had done his job 9/11 might never have happened. Clinton should have taken out Al-Qaeda and Osama when they attacked the USS Cole on 10/12/2000. But being a draft dodger himself he wouldn’t want any conflict, so we did nothing. But you'd never hear that on our liberal national news.>>>

    Well, if Clinton had not been fighting off a Repub coup at every turn and had not had "Wag The Dog" thrown in his face every time he made a move maybe he would have gotten Osama. He tried. When the Bushies went into office they basically did away with all the groundwork the Clinton White House had built on Osama. They were going to do it their way. Clinton was one kind a draft dodger -- a smart kind. Bush was another. Bush had a rich powerful Daddy to get him a placement in the Texas National Guard. Clinton did not. They both did essentially the same thing. I will say that Clinton at least had the class not to dress up as a fighter pilot! Ever notice in history that the Democrats fight the big tough long wars -- WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam. The Repubs fight Grenada, Panama, Kuwait and Iraq. I think that is a telling little fact.
    If you would turn off Fox News and listen to News not influenced by Bush family members or the right wing you might have a broader perspective.

    Bobby

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