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    If the liberal EPA environmentalists would have allowed the government to upgrade the grid then the blackout probably would not have happened.[/QUOTE]

    Do you have proof to back this up? I don't think EPA was responsible for any of it.

    What happened was that Northern California (NorCal) depends on power from the Pacific Northwest. There was a shortage of snowmelt, so NorCal didn't get much surplus power. Also, Colorado which supplies power to NorCal didn't have much surplus that year. Southern California (SoCal) had power, but the transmission lines couldn't handle the load. Matter of fact, Dept. of Water and Power in Los Angeles had a surplus of power.

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    Why shouldn't the millionaires get the biggest tax cut when they pay they pay by far the most taxes? I don't understand why someone who doesn't pay any taxes should get free money from the government.[/QUOTE]

    Yet at the same time, ultra-rich elite members can write off more things, so that they pay less taxes than say a six-figure salary making middle-class member. Wouldn't that be free money?

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    This could be due to less population growth from birth control and abortion or it could just be the fact that people don't want to have as many kids anymore. [/QUOTE]

    Umm, there are more people living today than in when the Social Security Act was passed in 1935. It's depleted from the Baby Boom generation who are living much longer than antcipated.

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    He simply didn't want the government to take control of the church or religion. That's all there is to it.[/QUOTE]

    No it isn't. That's one interpretation of it. This link below will shed light to the other interpertations as well.

    http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/viewidx.htm

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    By the way, if clinton had done his job 9/11 might never have happened.[/QUOTE]

    Or if the Republicans didn't spend extra resources on digging into Clinton's scandals, perhaps things would've been discovered earlier.

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    Clinton should have taken out Al-Qaeda and Osama when they attacked the USS Cole on 10/12/2000.[/QUOTE]

    The problem began when the Reagan adminstration trained and gave weapons to the Afghanistan Freedom Fighters.

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    Hi biggun110 and Emesis,

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    Yet at the same time, ultra-rich elite members can write off more things, so that they pay less taxes than say a six-figure salary making middle-class member. Wouldn't that be free money?[/QUOTE]

    I fail to see the connection here. The "ultra-rich elite members" still pay income taxes even if they have some tax write offs. Therefore they deserve to get a tax refund just like everyone else who pays taxes.

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    Umm, there are more people living today than in when the Social Security Act was passed in 1935. It's depleted from the Baby Boom generation who are living much longer than antcipated.[/QUOTE]

    I stated that there is less population growth not that there are less people now. Yes you are right that the baby boomers caused this. The baby boom includes people born between 1946 and 1964. So some of the baby boomers have retired and when the rest retire social security will be almost used up. I agree with you on this. But the reason social security may be gone is because more people will be taking out than there are putting money in. This is because the baby boomers had less kids than families did in the past. Most parents had 1 or 2 kids instead of 3-5 in the past.


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    No it isn't. That's one interpretation of it. This link below will shed light to the other interpertations as well.
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    I took a look at that site. It showed the first ten words of the first amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." Umm tell me where in the 1st amendment it says anything about "separation of church and state." It was written in a letter by Jefferson and the supreme court took the liberty to say it was in the constitution even though it was not.

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    Or if the Republicans didn't spend extra resources on digging into Clinton's scandals, perhaps things would've been discovered earlier.[/QUOTE]

    Yeah right. It was the republicans' fault that clinton lied every time he opened his mouth. They shouldn't investigate a liar. Everyone wants a president who lies uncontrollably. Any how, even during the investigation clinton still read the reports and he knew osama was a threat but he chose to do nothing. And before someone says Pres. Bush is liar because we haven't found WMD in Iraq yet, remember that Iraq had weeks to hide them. Even if there were never any WMD in Iraq Bush still is not a liar. He had intelligence that told him there were weapons of mass destruction there. So he listened and believed what they said just like every other Pres. has.

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    Your reasoning is too simplistic and individualistic. What you are basically saying is why should anyone do anything that does not suit their own interests or wishes. Society cannot work that way. Why shouldn't millionaires pay more; they benefit more from what society offers. There is not a person in this country who does not pay taxes if in no other way than by paying sales tax. Why should married people get tax breaks singles do not? Why should people with kids get tax breaks childless people do not? Why should home owners receive breaks? Why should the elderly? Again, society cannot function when ugly selfishness is presented as enlightened moral fairness.[/QUOTE]

    I don't follow. How does wealthier people getting a tax cut cause selfishness? I said millionaires deserve the biggest tax cut because they pay the most. I didn't say they should pay the least income tax. Rich do pay the most and it is evident in the following statistic. The top 1%, who earn 20.81% of all income pay 37.42% of the federal taxes. And the top 50% pays 96.09% of taxes.

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    Clinton was one kind a draft dodger -- a smart kind. Bush was another. Bush had a rich powerful Daddy to get him a placement in the Texas National Guard. Clinton did not. They both did essentially the same thing.[/QUOTE]

    So clinton was smart to abandon his country in a time of need? Bush did serve his country in the National Guard, clinton did nothing. So are you saying the National Guard is worthless?

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    If you would turn off Fox News and listen to News not influenced by Bush family members or the right wing you might have a broader perspective.[/QUOTE]

    Nah. I'll stick with "the fair and balanced news" and you can watch the Clinton News Network (CNN).


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    Hi Buckeye,

    It's not that Bush outright lied about weapons of mass destruction it is that he probably did not present the objective truth of the available intelligence. Like in the case of Nigerian uranium in the State of the Union speech. It's not that he out and out lied -- he has plausible deniability -- it's just that he sold damaged goods as A number 1 top of the line Honest Injun facts. He may not lie but I now doubt his ability to objectively judge the intelligence he is given. He seems to see what he wants to see. Poor judgment is as bad a lying in the final analysis.
    Clinton lied about sex. Big whoop. I never understood why Repubs hate him. He ended welfare as it was and in the manner the Repubs wanted. He gave big business Nafta. His whole concern was business, business, business. He led a great economy. Saved Mexico. Russia and the Far East from collapse economically. He believed in God. He went to church. He stayed married to one woman and raised a beautiful child. He was only a liberal when compared to the Pope. The Repub anger always just seemed like jealousy to me. Clinton won and they could not stand it and; furthermore, he was a better politician than any of them so he left Newtie and the gang bawling in the pig stye. But the Repubs would stop at nothing to get him, even if it meant holding the country hostage to all their schemes. I used to just disagree with Repubs. Now I find them disgusting.

    If serving in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War is serving one's country then all the poor working class stiffs who did not have a rich powerful Daddy to twist an arm or call in a favor should have had the same choice as Bush -- they should have been able to gain all the glory and respect of service by sitting it out, not showing up and having a ball back stateside -- instead they died in mud. Bush got through his "service" like he got into Yale -- he's a Bush. If the man had class, he would admit just how priviledged he was and never never never pretend to a military legacy or record he in no way earned -- like landing on an aircraft in pilot drag for a photo-op. Tacky, Tacky, Tacky.

    Bobby

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    Okay.. I am staying out of this save for one point. LIBERAL IS NOT A BAD WORD! Please people, stop throwing it around like it is.

    Get a dictionary, look it up, I think you'll be surprised.
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    Hi Buckeye,

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    The "ultra-rich elite members" still pay income taxes even if they have some tax write offs. Therefore they deserve to get a tax refund just like everyone else who pays taxes. [/QUOTE]

    I agree they deserve refund as well, but I'm saying that they can claim more deductions than the a person who's not in their tax bracket.

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    I stated that there is less population growth not that there are less people now.[/QUOTE]

    True.

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    But the reason social security may be gone is because more people will be taking out than there are putting money in. This is because the baby boomers had less kids than families did in the past. Most parents had 1 or 2 kids instead of 3-5 in the past.[/QUOTE]

    Even though the the number of Baby Boomer offsprings decreased, that generation was still able to reproduce their initial population size. So now we have both their generation and their offsprings, and their offsprings' offsprings are coming into play.

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    It was written in a letter by Jefferson and the supreme court took the liberty to say it was in the constitution even though it was not.[/QUOTE]

    Well, the Supreme Court makes the final interpretation of our country's Law.

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    [Bush] had intelligence that told him there were weapons of mass destruction there. So he listened and believed what they said just like every other Pres. has.[/QUOTE]

    Or he choose to believe in something regardless of the amount of (or lack of) evidence.

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    Bush did serve his country in the National Guard, clinton did nothing.[/QUOTE]

    Now, I'm not a Democrat, but I found this site which goes into Bush's National Guard serving.

    http://www.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=165

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    I'll stick with "the fair and balanced news"...[/QUOTE]

    I think most American journalism is tainted w/ sensonalism and similar views. It is because only a handful of coporations are owning the majority of the networks, driven by profit.

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    One more thing, I came across this...

    http://www.uaw.org/cap/01/news/day3media.html

    I'll highlight the interesting part.

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    Wasting no time, delegate Charlie Cox from UAW Local 2162, who is a Vietnam veteran, set the tone by asking why George W. Bush got a free ride from the media regarding reports that he was AWOL during most of the time he served in the National Guard during the Vietnam war.

    "Let me give you some statistics," responded panelist Paul Begala, "I worked for Bill Clinton in 1992 and …in anticipation of this very question, I looked this up on Nexis. There were 13,641 stories about Bill Clinton 'dodging the draft' …and there were 49 stories about Bush and the National Guard," Begala said.[/QUOTE]

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    Here is the simple truth people. Everything is for sale including your candidates. Check out "Project Vote Smart" and see what lobbyists are funneling monies to your "holier than thou" candidates. I have lost faith in the Republican party, but not in God Almighty,or His Son the Lord Jesus Christ.

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    Now, I'm not a Democrat, but I found this site which goes into Bush's National Guard serving.[/QUOTE]

    The problem i have with this site is the fact that it's democrats.com. The title is "Bush's Top 10 Lies, Exaggerations And 'Obsfucations' About His Military Service." This shows it's a very one sided story. The site's goal is to defeat Bush so they take statements out of context and tweak things to make everything sound as bad as possible.

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    One more thing, I came across this...

    http://www.uaw.org/cap/01/news/day3media.html
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    UAW is a powerful union with a liberal agenda. They want democrats in office so they put stories like this on their site to influence people. Again it is not an unbiased story.

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    Clinton lied about sex. Big whoop.[/QUOTE]

    The problem is clinton's lie was perjury before a grand jury. If he had admitted to the jury that he had sexual relations with Monica then he would not have been impeached. He simply would have been unfaithful to his wife. Having an affair is still morally wrong but is not illegal and would not have caused clinton to be impeached.

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    He led a great economy.[/QUOTE]

    Presidents have no control over the economy. The economy is a business cycle. It goes from recovery (Clinton Pres.) to a peak (Clinton also pres.) to a recession (end of Clinton Pres., beginning of Bush Pres.) to a trough (low point of recession, Bush pres.). We are now back into the recovery part of the cycle. Soon we will be back to the strong economy present during clinton's presidency.

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    He believed in God. He went to church. He stayed married to one woman and raised a beautiful child.[/QUOTE]

    If you're trying to make him sound moral then you're wrong. He was not a moral man. Believing in God and going to church does not mean anything if you live like he did. He lied to everyone in this country. He chased women. He had affairs with some of them. Also, He and his wife were involved in scams, like white water, to make some money at other's expense. I will never ever respect this man.

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    I used to just disagree with Repubs. Now I find them disgusting.[/QUOTE]

    That’s funny i feel the same way about democrats. They'll say something one time and then say the complete opposite another time. They say whatever makes people happy at the time, even if they have to flat out lie.


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