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    it really makes me sad that we have a president that is promoting logging in our national forests.... for a reason such as Quote on him " Logging will promote less under growth, and lower forest fire levels" Yah... right... from what i have seen here in Indiana Logging in dense forests just promotes under growth. The devistation that logging does is horrible... it really is... i live in the forest.. and out neighbors are in the process of logging.. it is so horrible, they wanted to thin the trees out to promote the Hardwood tree's growth, but ya they did just that, but they destroyed the forest around the trees and made it now a woods... but it is no matter to me, w still have our forest, and all the life will move to our side.. but what we need is an environmentalist for a president for once... as for it is quite sad, watching our country forest deminish... sigh...

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    I am not saying environmentalists are bad but I think some cutting is good. I am totally against clear-cutting that is not right. But we need to thin some of our forest because what happens as years go by there is so much under growth that it becomes fuel. Since people want to live in the woods (urban sprawl) and not in the city, if a forest fire starts we need to put it out so houses will not burn. Years back forest fires would burn for days or weeks whipping out the thick forest. Now that people live in the woods, we can not have that happen the fire need to be put out. I can not tell you how much I hate "URBAN SPRAWL" [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif[/img] !!! I believe if you want to live in the forest - better be prepared to have your house burn to the ground.

    Just think when one person puts a trail in the forest it is there for decades. From that you change the whole chemistry of the forest. You end up with vegetation dyeing around the road - then the vegetation changes into something else. Once there is road, people will come. Once there are people, the forest gets hacked (houses). Then that leads to putting out forest fires (normally forest fires clear out the thick vegetation) but "US HUMANS" put it out. Then next year it gets thicker, and thicker, and thicker. Then the forest is so thick it is also most impossible to put out a forest fire. Now we are playing "Mother Nature" by cutting some of the forest. Thanks to years of saving the forest from fires - now we need to save houses...

    Here is a link to a web site about urban sprawl:

    http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~pppm/landuse/sprawl.html
    http://www.limitlesscity.com/

    There are many web-sites I just chose two. So basically what I am saying is we would not have this problem if people would live cities and stay out of the woods.

    Again these are my opinions...
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    Just give bush a break. Okay hes not the smartest guy. Not everybody likes Him. But he is trying his best.
    Oh boy.

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    I may not be American, but I watched the election closely...and I have to admit, I was rooting for Bush. Although now I'm starting to wonder! I mean, I think he's one of the most popular Presidents' in awhile, and he's been doing his best to handle the 9 / 11 disaster. But if anyone believes in what the Bible has to say...Revelations does speak of the "Anti-Christ" who will be voted into power, and will be the most loved and popular, and he will start the joinging of a "one-world government" and so-on. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's the anti-christ or anything! I amd just starting to wonder about his power and popularity... [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img]
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    Bush is Bush...I am not ragging on our President (he is not great/he is not bad either). [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img]

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    Travis on Aug. 22 2002,6:13
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    ....So basically what I am saying is we would not have this problem if people would live cities and stay out of the woods.[/QUOTE]

    I disagree somewhat. I think a big part of the problem is that people saw fire as a bad thing, not as one of Mother Natures ways of doing some house cleaning. Therefor, we put out fires before they had a chance to spread and clear out the underbrush. Now, as you pointed out, because of this over protectiveness, the underbrush is so dense in places that when it does go, there is no stopping it. And instead of just burning out the underbrush and a few trees, they burn so hot they kill everything, including seeds in the suface of the soil.
    This is what happened in Yellowstone 10 (?) years ago and in the Hayden fire this year in Colorado. It's only been in the last 15 years (thats a guestimate) that the forest service has been doing control burns to minimize the potential for a bad forest fire to get started.

    And I think people who live in amongst the trees and don't take the precautions needed to protect their house and property, shouldn't be outside their parents house without the proper adult supervision [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img] . I am dismayed at where people are building house around here. They are slowly eroding the natural areas away. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif[/img]
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    I gave my time to think over my feelings on the subject, and now i feel the same way as travis does, even though i live in the middle of the forest, but to me i feel that i belong in the forest, instead of out on concrete and back top, surrounded my immense stone towers, i feel that rooted wood in the firm soil, brings so much harmony to myself, i used to love ove rviewing the valley that was our neighbors, and now i cant stand the look of the devistation that has fallen upon it, all the memories of wlkaing aournd the hill sides of the steep banks finding various conopy floor plants, and most of them had very nice floral patterns to them, and now i suppose they will die as for the increment in light levels... it really depresses me, and to think that bush is going to allow logging in our forest reserves! it is insane... and all to saddening... i really wish sometimes we could all go back to the mid evil times*oppinion* or at least find some other alternative to so to say being one with nature we need better ways to live, instead of invade,settle, an populize.. if oyu knwo what i mean... if any one has seen Star Wars Ep 1, i forgot the name of the planet, but i believe we are doomed to become the planet that was an entire city... with a populaiton of Beings, and the abolishment of Other life... But that will be out of my time and i will not have to endure the time of seeign that day, that also leads me into another subject, i love technology, but i hate destructive technology, the worse thing we created is the Atomic Bombs, although i am no genius and i myself could not have thought of any other way to settle the disagreements that japan and hitler... but these are all my oppinions, but i would say there could most indefinetely could have been another way, instead of death and destruction, but as i think of it now, the situation that we were in, it seems that war was the only choice, unless we wanted to be bullied around... and i do believe there are times when blood shed shoudl be an option, and for me to say that it was the time, at that time to use those methods, is out of my hands... that is to much of a burden for me to carry, Life and Death... but enough with all the talk... all i believe is that we are hurting the earth, but she will take control in time.. it is just a matter of time...

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    Oh and bush, i do believe he is good at handling matters of war, but does a uderly horrible job on thought of our environment, oh and also Well the tragedy of yellow stone, woudl not have happened most likely if wild fires were permited to happen, i believe that most of everything that has happened like that all relates back to us playing Big Bertha Mother Nature and i think playing that role on earth is not supposed to be in our hands, and face it, when playing mother nature we always in time mess up... and make soemthign worse... it disapoints me greatly but Hey what can i Or we do... only live our lives, as we please, right?

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