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Thread: Wow! new genus in papua new guinea?

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    It's probably a local planted bog garden. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/img]

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    whooo!! ok thanks. that puts my mind to rest :-)

    he might be a member of this forum. i know hes a member of the CPUK forum.

    thanks!!

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    Tim just emailed me and asked if I was calling him a liar. I just want to ammend what I said, as I have no wish to insult or imply this. You can doubt someones observations without calling them a liar. I personally have strong doubts that there could be a new Genera unknown to the world, but obviously Tim obviously feels strongly that there is. I don't doubt that he saw something that may have seemed like a new CP, but without any documentation or corroboration this must remain in the realm of personal speculation and myth. Word of mouth observations without hard data must be considered hypothetical until proven and substantiated by independent observation. That is how science works.

    On the other hand, all Genera and species were once unknown, and there are admittedly many mysteries waiting to be revealed! I will leave it at that, and keep an open mind.
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    Thank you Tamlin. I was alerted to this thread this morning, and while posting private emails is considered bad form, some good may come out of it. Fatboy and I have been exchanging very exiting emails, and I feel strongly that something interesting may happen by early next year. He realizes that I meant the tribesmen whom I stayed with spoke no English, just one of 800 languages and or 3000 dialects, as well as Pidgin, which I speak.

    You did accuse my of starting a myth, though, and that implies intent.

    I have traded, or bought from about a dozen people on this forum, and I see not one of them has casted doubts as to my personal integrity. This is appreciated.

    Dustin, except for a certain young girl, you have been chided for passing false information more than anyone else on this forum. The only time I have seen Rob Cantley rebuke anyone strongly was you, so your charge of lying will not be taken seriously by anyone who's opinion matters to me.

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    I think it is very possible that what Tim saw was a carnivorous plant or something very close to that. But this is most likely a case of co-evolution (I forgot the proper term). So the plant Tim saw probably wasn't related to Sarracenia but had adapted the same survival strategy. I.E. Using funnel shaped leaves to lure and catch insects. If Tim could describe the plants and their habitat in detail then maybe we could start to build a picture of them. I'm more than willing to make a couple sketches and post them here. I just need some input.

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    P.S. Tim, I could have sworn you lived in Arizona. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/img]

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    I am making this post now in the hopes of preventing anything bad happening.

    There have been enought flames here of late, we do not wish to see another one.

    The topic stays civil and on topic from this point on or it gets locked. Any finger pointing, argument, harsh words or vile thoughts can be taken up via PM or email.

    Please feel free to PM me if you have a problem with this.

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    I would like to make it clear that I am not directing this post at any one person in specific, it is for everyone reading and replying to this thread.



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    oh i am so sorry tim and everyone else. this is my fault and i should have never posted Tims name or his private e mails.

    so i take full responsibility. this is my fault and i'm sorry

    PS TIM: i shipped out your orchids today.

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    I have been a bit bothered by the tendency of people to jump on one bandwagon or another on this forum of late. But i'm not posting to spread more FUD or point fingers, because i've been guilty of it myself before and will, no doubt, do it again in the future. I will say that i've been aware of the statement on Tim's website that he saw what may potentially be a new genera of CP, and to await further news, for more than a month now, but was waiting... for further news. I don't know Tim in person, but have no doubt that he's not making up stories.

    Anyone who doubts the possibility of new genera of plant in Papua, New Guinea has obviously not been there. While i can't say that i have, either, i attended a presentation a few months ago (NECPS meeting in conjunction with RIOS) given by a man recently returned from there, and left with my head spinning that a place as unexplored and remote still exists in this internet age. Bob Chabot visited a tribe where the people had never seen a white man, and probably won't again.

    The blurb on the meeting is here.

    The reports of the danger of the country are not necessarily untrue. Bob received warnings several times that the local guerrilla-robber band intended to ambush the expedition for the valuable equipment they carried, and the group hired some local "bodyguards" as defense against that possibility.

    There are other dangers besides desperados in a tropical rainforest, as the presentation demonstrated. I would love to see the sights Bob saw, but i'm not sure i'd fare well in that kind of environment.
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