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    I'd like point out also that Peter lists N. madagascareinsis as a highland plant and I've found this out to be absolutely wrong as it is a true lowlander..trust me..I grew it in highland conditions....it doesn;'t like it! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img]

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    nepenthes gracilis told me that N. bicalcarata is how it should be spelled not N. bicalcurata as in the "Savage Garden"

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    Edit: nevermind
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    yes i agree with dustin!
    my Nep. madagascariensis was dying as highland and is recovering and doing much better now as lowland [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]

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    I do not agree with Peter that all mexican pings can be selfed to produce seeds. I have tried numerous times to self my gypsicolas, and not once have they produced seeds.

    The book is a good reference, even with some mistakes.




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    I have emailed oeter last night , he has not replied me yet but fro previous emails he said the book was in its 3rd pritning

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    Here is the thing about expert advice: it is just advice. Take it with a good amount of skepticism. Only YOU can grow a plant, no one can do this for you. Individual differences in technique and climate make any advice extremely local. One of the things to doubt is when someone tells you that you "CAN'T" do a thing. What this means is they tried and failed. It is not ipso facto that you will fail as well. Some of the myths that have been successfully challenged have been issues regarding fertilization, dormancy, appropriate mixes, water levels, water purity, need for varrying photoperiod: in other words, just about every rule has been broken by someone somewhere sometime. Experiment, and more importantly, communicate the results of what you experience! There is no Cp Bible. There are just growers and their plants. If you care about your plants, and watch them, pay attention to their growth habits, you will get a feel for what is needed. Savage Garden is a good beginning place, but in the end the advice is only Peter's experience with his plants. I have said before, the best way to grow any plant is to learn about the location where it is from using a good web search. The more you can do to make things "like home" the better the plants will grow. By using the Cp database at

    http://www2.labs.agilent.com/bot/cp_home

    , and using the (correctly spelled) latin binomial, you can find where the type specimen of the species was collected. A websearch using that type location along with "climate" will soon provide a good picture of the conditions in habitat where the species grows. The more these conditions can be duplicated, the better the plants will grow. This includes seasonal wettness and dryness, day/night highs and lows regarding temperature, details of substrate, available sunlight, and elevation (which affects both temperature and light quality). It is not enough to know a plant is tropical: tropics are not always hot and humid. Elevation is a critical concern, and details of nightime highs and lows are very important for cultivation success. Some generalizations: Highland tropical + cool nights with a significant and rapid nightime drop in temps. with an increase in humidity. Lowland tropical: warm and humid conditions, with little day/night fluctuation. Bogs = high light, high humidity and cool roots. Woodland: lower light, more available nutrients, drier substrate. Plants found in seeps want cool roots and good aeration in the substrate. Summer dormant winter growers: need a media that will dry out but will do so slowly. Understanding the seasonal aspects of rainfall in habitat will help to understand the seasonal rhythm. In other words, try to incorporate as much of these details as possible in your growing technique. With CP, small differences in culture can often produce dramatic results.
    "Grow More, Share More"

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    Quote (Tamlin Dawnstar @ Feb. 27 2003,9:10)
    There is no Cp Bible.[/QUOTE]
    If there was a CP bible it would be "natural habitat'. If you provide these conditions the chances are Very good that your plant will survive. Is this a guarantee? No. Can your plant be acclimated to other conditions? Maybe. Some highlands do well under intermediate conditions... some intermediates do well under highland or lowland conditions... some lowlands do well under intermediate conditions. Under no circumstances is this a rule... just a guideline. Some plants are unforgiving. If you can't provide the proper conditions they will die.

    I am no expert by any means... this seems like common sense to me.

    Oh... by the way... I'm having a heck of a time getting my N. northiana to grow... [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/img] (another topic)

    Edit: I kind of got off on a Nepenthes tangent there...



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