yes i agree with dustin!
my Nep. madagascariensis was dying as highland and is recovering and doing much better now as lowland [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
I do not agree with Peter that all mexican pings can be selfed to produce seeds. I have tried numerous times to self my gypsicolas, and not once have they produced seeds.
The book is a good reference, even with some mistakes.
I have emailed oeter last night , he has not replied me yet but fro previous emails he said the book was in its 3rd pritning
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Here is the thing about expert advice: it is just advice. Take it with a good amount of skepticism. Only YOU can grow a plant, no one can do this for you. Individual differences in technique and climate make any advice extremely local. One of the things to doubt is when someone tells you that you "CAN'T" do a thing. What this means is they tried and failed. It is not ipso facto that you will fail as well. Some of the myths that have been successfully challenged have been issues regarding fertilization, dormancy, appropriate mixes, water levels, water purity, need for varrying photoperiod: in other words, just about every rule has been broken by someone somewhere sometime. Experiment, and more importantly, communicate the results of what you experience! There is no Cp Bible. There are just growers and their plants. If you care about your plants, and watch them, pay attention to their growth habits, you will get a feel for what is needed. Savage Garden is a good beginning place, but in the end the advice is only Peter's experience with his plants. I have said before, the best way to grow any plant is to learn about the location where it is from using a good web search. The more you can do to make things "like home" the better the plants will grow. By using the Cp database at
, and using the (correctly spelled) latin binomial, you can find where the type specimen of the species was collected. A websearch using that type location along with "climate" will soon provide a good picture of the conditions in habitat where the species grows. The more these conditions can be duplicated, the better the plants will grow. This includes seasonal wettness and dryness, day/night highs and lows regarding temperature, details of substrate, available sunlight, and elevation (which affects both temperature and light quality). It is not enough to know a plant is tropical: tropics are not always hot and humid. Elevation is a critical concern, and details of nightime highs and lows are very important for cultivation success. Some generalizations: Highland tropical + cool nights with a significant and rapid nightime drop in temps. with an increase in humidity. Lowland tropical: warm and humid conditions, with little day/night fluctuation. Bogs = high light, high humidity and cool roots. Woodland: lower light, more available nutrients, drier substrate. Plants found in seeps want cool roots and good aeration in the substrate. Summer dormant winter growers: need a media that will dry out but will do so slowly. Understanding the seasonal aspects of rainfall in habitat will help to understand the seasonal rhythm. In other words, try to incorporate as much of these details as possible in your growing technique. With CP, small differences in culture can often produce dramatic results.
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Quote (Tamlin Dawnstar @ Feb. 27 2003,9:10) There is no Cp Bible.[/QUOTE]
If there was a CP bible it would be "natural habitat'. If you provide these conditions the chances are Very good that your plant will survive. Is this a guarantee? No. Can your plant be acclimated to other conditions? Maybe. Some highlands do well under intermediate conditions... some intermediates do well under highland or lowland conditions... some lowlands do well under intermediate conditions. Under no circumstances is this a rule... just a guideline. Some plants are unforgiving. If you can't provide the proper conditions they will die.
I am no expert by any means... this seems like common sense to me.
Oh... by the way... I'm having a heck of a time getting my N. northiana to grow... [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/img] *(another topic)
Edit: I kind of got off on a Nepenthes tangent there...
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- 03-01-2003, 11:07 AM #17According to D'Amato, a Cultivar becomes legitimate if they are published in a book not necessarily in ICPS. And since he published his Cultivars in his book don't they become ligitimate Cultivar? Jack'Celebrate the birth of our nation by blowing a little piece of it up'.The Simpsons.
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- 03-01-2003, 12:50 PM #18
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- 0 Thread(s)Maybe some people need to do some more research on there own. So far I haven't lost a plant to the Savage Garden. I stuck with the super easy plants. Then I went to other sources like this site and other books to back up info. If a plant was really that rare, expensive, and meant a lot to me I would do more research. The book introduces you to the plants and shows you some variety. I assumed there would be some errors and I bought only plants that he said were the best for beginners. I don't really care if some of the cultivars are wrong. The book started me growing CPs and that is what really matters. I have so many more resources now that I don't even have to use the book.
In other words its your own fault if you kill a plant.
- 03-01-2003, 04:56 PM #19Nepenthes Specialist
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Quote (Tristan @ Mar. 01 2003,2:50) In other words its your own fault if you kill a plant.[/QUOTE]
I must disagree with that. Plants die under good conditions due to natural causes, fungi, heavy pest infestations, spontaneously just decide their time has come, etc.Nepenthes - hail to royalty
- 03-01-2003, 05:40 PM #20Guest
Quote (Pyro @ Feb. 27 2003,8:24) -Many of the Sarr cultivars Pete has in the book are invalid or unregistered (S. oreo 'Don Schnell' and S. purp 'Red Ruffles' are a couple I remember off hand.)[/QUOTE]
You'll find 'Don Schnell' published in the 1993 CPN. So, it is actually valid. Describing a plant with a name in a publication or book, effectively establishes it as a cultivar.