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    thats the thing ram. it was a controlled burn. only, controlled with helicopters bropping that red powder stuff. kinda silly to me. the fire went out of control, and instead of 380 acers getting burned, 1200 was burned, by now 1400, the fire keeps starting up again and again and again, each time burning more land, I saw the fire spark up 5 times today from where i am now...
    The silly thing about hits 'controlled' burn is that they started it with a large amount of na-palm, how could that be a controlled burn? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif[/img] And, they didn't plan for all the mines to go off from the na palm, they made the fire to clear the land to make it easyer and safer to set off the mines.
    The 400 acers were going to the city to build 'affordable' housing on, but the thing that bugs me is that they never followed through the 2 times they have done it in the past, they have just made mansions and priced them at... ONLY 2500-3000 dollars a month to rent, OR like a million dollars to buy! That does not seem like affordable housing to me. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif[/img]

    What really matters to me is that they just blew the place up, not giving the wildlife a chance to get out... they could have started it in a way as to give wildlife a chance to get out...I can't really explain it... I am sickened, as today I saw hundreds of buzzards and vultures around that area... [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif[/img] I also love birds, and many birds are ill and dieing from inhaling smoke... they have found a dead peregrine falcon, an endangered species i think...

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    Not a good idea to burn during Santa Ana's.
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    I'm with you, Spec. I'm sure somone could have come up with a better way to clear the land IF someone intelligent was in charge of it. But I don't believe better was what they were looking for. It sickens me, too. And I'm sorry for you having to be right there to see it every day.
    Now maybe I'm just too much of a wimp (not!), but what kind of intelligence trains people using live mines? You would have to be able to think like a mother in order to understand my feelings on this, I think.
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    If the armies mine removal experts can clear whole mine fields in foreign countries, without vaporizing the land then why can they not send them in here at home? If they plan to build residential housing on this land they are still going to have to go through the field with mine detectors after the fire to insure every last mine was destroyed.

    Perhaps they used this method of burning off all of the wildlife so that conservation groups will have nothing left to protest about if they go ahead with a housing development.

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    Because in foreign countries, dropping napalm on mine fields is not an option. We have to send in live people to find, dig up and de-fuse the land mines, which is EXTREMELY dangerous. Fort Ord is a military owned compound, and they basicaly have the right to do whatever the heck they feel like there. Just like you have a right to dig up your lawn and plant a CP bog. It all depends on your priorities. The military objective is not conservation. They are there to train people to risk their lives doing a job that MOST of us would rather not do. They train to fight and die in OUR defence, to preserve our rights as Americans to sit here and complain about how awful they are. For those of you who are anti-military, I will not attempt to sway your opinion. I would however like to give you something to think about. Without the military, MANY of the technological and medical advances that have been made in the last 150 years would not have come to pass. Much of what we all take for granted in todays society was originaly designed for use by the military. That PC you are sitting at right now, reading this on, was originaly designed to calculate the complex mathematics of trajectories for aiming guns at targets. MANY MANY of the medical advances made in the 20th century are directly related to battlefield medical observations and techniques. How many lives have been SAVED as a result of what was learned from the losses of wartime? I for one have no problem with them scorching off the mine field. I would rather lose a few animals than see my friends, or my friends children killed or maimed by a land mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (vft guy in SJ @ Oct. 27 2003,8:11)]Fort Ord is a military owned compound, and they basicaly have the right to do whatever the heck they feel like there. Just like you have a right to dig up your lawn and plant a CP bog.
    Its not a matter of being Anti military, in fact most of my family has been in the military at one point or other. The point is there probably was better ways for them to deal with the mine field then to drop napalm on it. I am not a military expert and don't claim to have the knowledge or experience to say what the best method would have been. One thing I do know is if the target was 400 acres and over 1200 acres has burned, and a town has been made sick from the fumes & smoke sounds like a screw up to me.

    People have the right to question their military and to demand answers that is what a democracy is about. I think it naive to say that the military is their to protect us so lets not ever question their actions.

    On one last note I might be able to dig up my backyard and make a bog, but at my last house I had to get a permit to cut down a tree. Their are many ecologically sensitive areas that have strict guidelines as to what you can do on your land.

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    Just a side note..... Fort Ord is not exactly teeming with wildlife anyway. I have hunted there a couple times and believe me animals are scarce at best. Now Im sure they dont let us hunt on the minefields but I do know that in the areas they do allow us to go you are more likely to catch 50 ticks, than 1 rabbit or bird.


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    Ouch to the animals. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif[/img]
    They will HAUNT the military base for 1000 years!!! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/ghostface.gif[/img] lol
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