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    This may speak more to the person(s) who made an error in judgement in his/her posts than to others. I do not know if you will read this post, but I do know what it feels like to be in the position you have placed yourself into. I to placed myself into a similar situation at the beginning of this year. I hope that maybe you will head my warning and understand my main points.

    First and foremost, this forum is owned by a private individual who has every right to set up whatever rules he would like to. He has entrusted the forum to individuals to make decisions in accordance to the rules he has set up. Phil had the savvy to start this forum, which has developed in a great place to exchange ideas. Even though you may not agree with every post, every rule, or every decision made by a moderator, this is not the appropriate place to voice this publicly.

    Secondly, after taking my lumps and working things out with Phil, I decided to take a vacation from the forum. I found that this hobby is definitely not as exciting and very lonely without this great place to ask questions and exchange ideas. I had to make a decision; did I want to continue to be stubborn (and selfish in many respects) and not continue to be an active member, or, did I want to suck up my pride, abide by the rules set forth, and come back to being an active member. Every day I am looking up posts, answering questions, and communicating with others reinforces my decision. Even though I might not participate in every thread or agree with every personís opinion, I keep this to myself, because the alternative helps no one.

    The point of the matter is this. I hope you agree to follow the rules set for this forum, and allow the moderators to do their job (and they do a very good job). I hope you will not make rash decisions, or post anything while emotions run high. I know for myself, that I do not think clearly when I get angry, and that I should not be posting any messages if I am, such as a time I did so before. This is a great place for people to network about carnivorous plants. I appeal to you not to embroil the forum in controversy just to prove a point.

    And with that, I will end. I already violated my resolution since I have been back. To stay out of Terra Forums politics!

    Shelly, I hope you do decide to stick with the forum. From what I hear of how much you mean to everyone, it would be a shame to have you leave. I have never met your personally, or spoken to you directly, but from the good works you do in this forum, you would greatly be missed.

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    *CRY* There goes another female and a bud. There aren't enough females here as it is! I wish you wouldn't go. You're a great mod and it won't be the same without you around. I hope you miss it and end up back soon.

    Yeah it sucks to do your job and get criticized for it. Maybe all of the mods need a vacation and the members can moderate themselves since we seem to suck at it.

    I guess I don't see "free speech" as meaning its ok to say anything to anybody on a PUBLIC internet forum. There have to be SOME rules to the structure since you're talking a wide range of AGES, races, religions, cultures, locations, personalities, etc. (not to mention liability issues).

    My personal opinion is...I consider part of free speech as being civility, kindness, humor, understanding, helpfulness, tact and thoughtfulness. So no, as far as these public forums go, I'll never see cruelty, meanness, humiliation, racism, vulgarity, or personal attacks to be acceptable speech.

    Yes...there are all kinds of words that you are FREE to speak...but I believe the heart should be your guide as to whether you SHOULD speak them publicly...or not. I can "censor" my OWN speech so that I never hurt someone carelessly or needlessly.

    Ah well. We'll miss you Shelly. I'm sorry you feel you have to go. But I can understand why you feel the way you do.

    "Fox terriers are born with about four times as much original sin in them as other dogs." - Jerome K. Jerome

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    I am going to add to this. I am not trying to anger or offend anyone. I am going to try to explain somethings as I see them. This is not direct toward anyone in general.

    censorship - What does this mean?

    a : the institution, system, or practice of censoring
    b : the actions or practices of censors

    censor -
    1 : one of two magistrates of early Rome acting as census takers, assessors, and inspectors of morals and conduct
    2 : one who supervises conduct and morals: as a : an official who examines materials (as publications or films) for objectionable matter b : an official (as in time of war) who reads communications (as letters) and deletes material considered sensitive or harmful
    3 : a hypothetical psychic agency that represses unacceptable notions before they reach consciousness

    Censorship is yelled a lot.

    We can take this in two ways. First, It can be taken to mean that the mods only allow for a certain train of thought. You must agree with them, as a whole, or your opinion will not be allowed. It says that the mods do away with a post because of the idea it portrays. I have not seen this. As a mtter of fact I have seen the mods disagree, in a friendly and adult manner, with each other.

    Or we can take it the second way, "an official who examines materials (as publications or films) for objectionable matter." Some may think that this is a statement of thought that is off of the main stream. But is it possible that it is a statement that may start and argument and cause bad feelings among the members eventhough it was not meant it that manner? Something that could be taken as personal? Could it be the stopping of statements that could be considered offensive or argumentative?

    It all comes down to your opinion, doesn't.

    I believe that mods here are acting in the second manner. I have seen some argumentative, offensive and annoying post here. These are done by the few and someone must be able to step in say "stop, whoa, wait a minute, I can see that this post is going to cause some problems." Some of you out there are probably getting a little up tight right now thinking, hey, that's my right of free speech your walking on. As an officer I can inform you that there is not as much free speech allowed by law as you think. Your right of free speech stops at offending others. Now how can that be! What about demonstrations? Demonstrations are held in areas that others that do not want to hear that specfic opinion can easily avoid the demonstration. They also must be applied for or it can be considered illegal. Demonstrations are controlled. A topic can be addressed, but it can not turn to purposely offending. The control is still there. Well, can't the topic be avoided here? Not really. This forum is like a room that is crowded with people. It is a meeting place. I see, "well, if you don't like it you can just ignore", but that is not true. I find myself avoiding the general discussion area too much. Hey, I'm missing some good stuff to ignore some annoying and offensive post.

    First and foremost we must always take into consideration the feelings of other before speaking (posting), but being human beings, this does not always happen. This is and must be a controlled area to some degree. It is the mods job to step in and contol post to the end of keeping the peace. Sometimes they might jump the gun, but they too are human. The mods job is more difficult then some of you are going to believe. They have to step on toes and often anger others. They must face the fact that some will not like them. They are doing us a service. They are to be thanked. I thank you and I have seen post by others that thank you. Censorship is not necessarily evil or wrong and sometimes it is a necessary evil. I am alowed my freedom of speech, but I try (most of the time) to take into consideration the feelings of other before letting the words fly. This does not mean I can not speak, but means that I will be careful in chosing my words.

    Hey UNC, you are in good company. I have been called a Nazi (I am not) so many times this month I am going to have to learn how to goose-step. Welcome and let it bounce off. In my case they see the uniform, in your case, the mod. They are not attacking the person. They do not know you. I would be proud to know you.

    If the mods see erason to delete, go right ahead:laugh:
    I am just like a Super Hero, but without the power or motivation.................and the funky suit.

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