Thank you again for another interesting post, and for the link.
I'll have a look at it directly.
As is often the case your answers raise more questions so I'll PM you. Your replies are interesting but people may find all my questions boring.
Buckeye>> that is called dogma, it doesn't tell us anything about how you incorporate those things that you say you believe into your everyday life.
How do your beliefs affect the way you treat other people?
What difference does having those beliefs make to your life?
Exactly my point, too. *I would be interested in hearing what you are doing today -- & everyday? * [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif[/img]
And, Odysseus, you say your mission is to spread the word ...
how does that help others, if that is your goal? *In a tangible way, do they become more productive, feel better about themselves? *I'm looking here for your view of what is valuable in our world. * And is this what your mission is to accomplish? *[img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]
Restore our biosphere, create a new culture of kindness.
Though the questions are not directed at me, I would like to jump in here. *I believe man's main purpose in life is to glorify God. That was the reason man was created and the reason he exists. *We glorify God through our thoughts, actions, words and deeds.
How does this help others? *Let me give you a quote from the Bible.
Jesus said unto him, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. *This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
Basically, we are to love God first and other's second. *Loving ourselves is way on down the priority pole. Serving people in love is definitely "helping others".
What is valuable in our world?
A personal relationship with Christ. *There is nothing more precious to me than that.
I agree completely with SF. As Christians we are to put God first and everything else below him. *We are to have a personal relationship with Him and try to strengthen this relationship everyday. *My relationship with Christ has changed me for the better in every possible way, from the choices i make each day, to the people I choose to hang out with, to the things I choose to participate in and the things I don't. *It has given me hope during even the worst and most trying times in my life. *It has changed the way I treat other people by helping me to put them first and my self second. *After all, this is what Jesus did for each every one of us when he died on the cross. *My life has been changed completely.
LavendarDawn,Originally Posted by [b
Throughout my post I tried not to call it MY mission. If I did I misrepresented it. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] It wasn't my mission but it was God's mission. I was really called by a Prophet to go on this mission. The only step required by me was to show my willingness. Of course, God needs people to tell them about him. Otherwise we would never have works like the Bible.
The purpose of a Mission in spreading the word is the same Calling as those 12 Apostles whom Christ ordained Himself. No one can seek the Kingdom of God first unless they know about it, and WHY they should seek it. That's we did as Missionaries. Spread the word. Anyone here who has felt the joy of accepting Christ as a Savior and have found purpose in their life can vouch how spreading the word can help others.
For a tangible response I will use Irene Borislavskaya. [img]http://home.**********.com/odysseus2/King_on_The%20Mish.jpg[/img]
Irene was a wealthy Architect in Georgia several years back now. She had a high amount in her savings and was enjoying the beginning of her retirement. At that time a rebellion force fought back against the government and in the process stole from the wealthy and murdered their families. Irene lived in the Capital Tbilisi and her family was all killed by the rebellion. Her money was left behind by her when she fled for her life and eventually sought the support of the Belgium government hoping to live there as a permanent refugee. After a year or so of living there Irene found herself struggling in a lonely world that only spoke Flemish, French, German, and English fluently. No one spoke Georgian fluently. Barely even remotely. She did however make one friend with an Aremenian man who spoke an OK Russian as a second language. Russian was also Irene's second language due to the old USSR. So using second languages Irene and Jora, the Armenian friend, communicated and tried to make the best of their lonely lives as poor refugees in Vlaanderen Belgium.
She was so lonely and missed her family so strongly, she contemplated suicide to end her struggles along with the additional struggle of health. She felt she had no reason to live. Until the day a couple of weird young boys dressed up in ties and suits asked her if she wanted a Book of Mormon in Flemish. We found out her native tongue and couldn't get a Book of Mormon in Georgian but were able to get one in Russian. We also supplied her a Bible in Russian and with the help of translators and our ambition to learn Russian we spent the next five months teaching her the Gospel of Jesus Christ and she loved it and found meaning to her days. She looked VERY forward to our meetings and even went to the Church there where she was easily accepted by the Flemish members there and she felt she had more to live for. Friends, motivation to learn Flemish, and people who loved her.
Lavendar, I can promise you that when you are in the service of your fellow beings you are only in the service of God! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] The more we served Irene and cared for her we fell more in love with her. She became a sweet grandma figure to us and we fought to keep her willing to live.
She made many friends in Belgium who still take care of her and look after her. Her success with the Flemish language is getting better everyday and even though her health is diminishing she walks to the bus station to attend Church when she can! This wonderful woman calls us her protectors because she knows what a mistake suicide would have been. She may day in only a few years without money, and no family of her own, but she will die knowing where her Family is and that she has the chance to be with them again. Had she made the choice of Suicide she would have died a sad, lonely woman. Instead, she will die in the care of a culture that never knew heres, but will certainly shed the loss of a friend with many tears. She has gained what's most important of all. Love of her neighbors and a love of God.
I'm curious... How exactly does Mormonism differ from main-stream Christianity? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img] Do you view the Bible (in it's original form) as wholly true? If not, why?
Also, a comment on what you said...
God does not NEED people to tell others about him. He displays himself through His creation (see Ps. 19:1-3). He also uses people to lead other to himself. whether they will or not. However, He can and occasionally does change people's hearts without any human interaction. Why he chooses to use people I don't know, but it is a choice, not a need.Originally Posted by [b
Secondly, the Bible is not purely a tool of evangelism but his word to us. God made the world in an organized fashion - every action has a reaction. Everything that was created was meant to work in a specific way. If the laws of the universe aren't followed, things go wrong. This goes for the physical world as well as the spiritual one. For example, if we decide to disregard the laws of gravity and walk off of a cliff, we WILL hurt ourselves. Similarly, if we lie or cheat on someone, the result WILL be emotional hurt, broken relationships, etc.
The Bible is merely a tool God gave us for us to see what the correct path is that will lead to our physical and spiritual "well-being". It outlines the fall of man, the need for redemption, the love and forgiveness of Christ, and similarly the love and forgiveness we are to show each other. If we follow the Bible, all will go well. In other words, the Bible is "Road Map to Reality." God made the world a certain way. Satan has blinded humans to the order of things in this universe so we consistenly mess things up. That's why this world is such a messed up place...
hope that makes sense.
I am 100% Christian
First off, I don't get tired of your questions, fatboy, nor of anyone else's. *I find them stimulating. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
Ok, witnessing, glorifying God, a personal relationship with Christ. *These things are all ok in my book as long as you don't get in my face with them. *And no one here is or I would no longer be posting here. *Whatever floats your boat. *Since I was a member of a christian church for a long time & no longer consider myself christian I am still looking for*how anyone here is different from those sad people still going to that church I left & all the others like them. *Plantakiss mentioned tolerance. *Woefully lacking in our petty world! *I left that church because my behavior was not tolerated by them, even by those whom I thought were my friends. *I broke no laws. *I was not rude even. I will not go into detail just what the issue was for risk of that same judgement here because I have been around enough to know what human nature is. *Don't get me wrong, I love people, fascinating creatures we are. *(We need another creature emoticon!) *I call them sad because they were so shortsighted, IMO. *Stopped short because of someone else's differences. *I happen to love all our diversity.
I felt called to my profession just as if I imagine one would feel called to a ministry. *I serve people. *Do I serve God? *In your opinion, you may say yes. *I do it because I believe it is what I am 'supposed' to do. *I feel a very real joy when I am able to help someone.
So, all the philosophysing (I don't think that's a word) & verbal discourse is well enough. *Perhaps this is getting a bit away from the topic you started, Odysseus, though I get the impression you are not daunted in the least by this side track.
Another side track, I find it interesting that LDS believes so strongly in knowing one's heritage. *Isn't that what we're trying to preserve with our plants, as well? *Esp. now the sarracenia? *Hmm? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif[/img] *I had always thought it was kind of elitist but now I wonder. *What do you say?
Restore our biosphere, create a new culture of kindness.
To answer your questions.Originally Posted by [b
First, I don't view Mormonism as any different than mainstream Christianity. I don't know why but there are groups of Churches in my home town that won't and never will accept us as fellow Christians. Why that is, I don't know. I think it may be what you said earlier. Satan will blind us. I believe in Jesus Christ as my Savior and fill 100% Christian in every way.
About my belief in the Bible. We use the King James Version of the Bible, and I know the Bible to be a True witness of Jesus Christ. You said earlier in parenthesis (in it's original form) so I can see you also agree with the Bible as I do as wholly true before all the years of translation. Through translation many things have been lost. But it still testifies that Jesus of Nazareth was really there, and was the Messiah. Thus I still read it. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
Your second question about God needing us. You are absolutely right. I shouldn't have phrased it as a NEED. It certainly was HIS choice and it IS all HIS plan. I am sorry I worded it as a need. GOD is certainly not dependent on us! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
Thanks for pointing that out to me. I was just saying that we all find out about Christ at one point of another. And since Christ isn't here on Earth right now, we find out about Him and God's plans through others. That is the purpose of the Bible is it not? A Testament of a Messiah in the Old Testament and record of creation and God's organization with Temples, Priesthood and Authority. And in the New Testament it testifies that Jesus Christ was the Messiah of the Old Testament. Thus, we all find out from someone else's testimony and through our own prayer and study we find out for ourselves.
On the mission I did just that, I told other people my testimony. On the street, at their homes, in busses, in trains and parks. Only I did it 24/7. Nowadays I am not doing it 24/7, but I do it as much as possible.
Thanks for your questions! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]