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    The two party system doesn't work any better than any other system. I have always felt it wrong to just vote party and not conscience. In recent years I have come to realize that neither party gives a darn about us or our countries needs, but work off political agendas. What is good for the party IS NOT good for us. We have let the government walk all over us, and we have lost control of that government. We have no one to blame for that but ourselves, and arguing about the next Party man to Own our country is B.S. I think we need a multiple party government where the power is distributed between all parties and no 2 parties should ever hold control over us again. These 2 parties have messed up this country, and no democrat any more than any republican. They both suck rocks, and we need to get rid of those who pander to the party, and not the people. The power was ours, we need to get it back. Vote independantly, crush the stranglehold of the D's and the R's. I despise them both.



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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (biggun110 @ May 02 2004,10:41)]
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    Quote[/b] ]That really is a mis-informed statement. Bush stepped in at the start of a recession. Then 9/11 occured and dug us much deeper. Then Bush is starting to catch all of these crooked CEO's that Clinton allowed to lie and artificially inflate there earnings. Those are the reasons the economy was doing bad, which if you havn't noticed, is getting much better.

    Ever notice that the Democrats fought the big wars -- WWI (Pres. Wilson), WWII (FDR), Korea (Truman) and Vietnam (LBJ). The Repubs fought Grenada (Reagan) Panama(Bush) Iraq Act I (Bush) Afganistan unfinished (Shrub) and now Iraq Act II unfinished (Shrub). Gee, I think I will trust the Democrats to fight the big wars and truly protect my security.
    Ever notice how we loose ALOT More soldiers when drmocrats fight the wars
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Exactly how are they a monopoly? There are other alternatives to every piece of software that microsoft offers. Because they bundle FREE media players with there OS they are a monopoly? Because they are very good at selling OS's they are a monopoly? I am sorry, but anyone who is savy enough to d/l a new media player or i-net browser does have to adhere to this "monopoly". On the other hand, I sure don't want my grandma to call me when she buys a new computer because saying she can't get on the net because Windows didn't come bundled with a browser. Do they have some un-ethical practices? Yes, but let me tell ya, thats business, plain and simple.
    Sorry to jump on this one a little late... Been reading posts... Politics as usual, but the this... monstrosity forced me out of the shadows. Microsoft is NOT BUSINESS AS USUAL. Someone needs to spend a little time catching up with today, spend a little time catching up here: www.slashdot.org. I could go HOURS on how Microsoft is a monopoly -and the antichrist to boot-, but I'm afraid that I have deviated off topic too much as is, feel free to PM me, or email me if you really feel like debating it. Sorry once again that I -at this point- don't have anything to add to the discussion except that at the aforementioned site, (www.slashdot.org) you can find plenty of ways to escape the bonds of the oil companies which Bush holds so dearly
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    5% of the population does not pay 80% of the taxes -- just stop and think about the absurdity of that statement. Consider property taxes alone.

    Casper,

    I am sure Shrub's tax giveaway worked well for you as it seems you are exactly who it was aimed to please. Of course, the nation has a huge debt now -- above and beyond the cost of an unnecessary war -- so you and others could increase their investments. I guess the giveaway "worked" for the moment. I hope you are singing the same tune in 5 years and, if not, remember why you are not. I am glad it worked well for you and I hope a neglected society consuming itself to death never gets in the way of your intelligence or success. I saw a morgage company driving its new tax deducted Hummer the other day -- thanks to one of Shrub's giveaways to the rich. I wonder why a morgage company needs an all-terrain vechicle? To show off success? To celebrate macho? To play? To be cool? To support terrorists' oil wells? Because they got a great tax write-off? Yeah, that's my idea of a leader. I sincerely hope rugged individualism and beating out the other guy to prove self-worth always work for you and your family. I just see the world in a different way. I've never met anyone who made it own their own. It's always a group achievement. I guess that fact makes me deeply distrust the ones who sell and praise the virtue of endless self-interest.

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    WHatever all of you havent really brought up the points on enviorment. Bushes policys endangers carniovorus plants. Ewather its taking away the protection of 95% of remaining wetlands or severly docking the endangerd species act's funding (of wich one saccerenia falls under) Bush policies just arnt good for them.
    that makes no logic

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    Biggun, you have got to be a liberal.

    I am sorry, I mis-type what I wrote. The top 25% of earners (which is people who make over 52K a year) payed 82.9% of the federal and State income taxes in 2002. The bottom 50% (people who made under 28K) payed 3.92% of the total income taxes collected.

    You know, I am so tired of people that don't make a decent living trying to make me feel guilty because I do. If I want to buy a Hummer, who are you to judge me for it?

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    Quote[/b] ]I wonder why a morgage company needs an all-terrain vechicle? To show off success? To celebrate macho? To play? To be cool?
    Its called advertising. A hummer grabs attention, and when it has the morgage companys name on it, its a rolling billboard.

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    Quote[/b] ]I hope a neglected society consuming itself to death never gets in the way of your intelligence or success.
    It never will my friend, because I make sure it won't. I don't NEED anything from society. I don't need a handout, or gov't programs. I won't need S.S. or medicare when I grow old. I actually plan for the future.

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    Quote[/b] ]I sincerely hope rugged individualism and beating out the other guy to prove self-worth always work for you and your family.
    Wow, I don't even know how to take that. I guess its called CAPITALISM. Perhaps you would prefer to see us go to a comunistic, or socialistic society? It didn't seem to work so well as far as I can remember. I am SO SORRY that I strive to better myself. I am sorry that I try to provide my family with everything they want. I am sorry that I am not relying on the gov and the rest of society to support me. I guess what I should really do is to stop working so hard, make less money, sell my home and move to an apt, sell my vehicle and buy something cheap. Is that what you want?

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    Quote[/b] ]I've never met anyone who made it own their own.
    You should get out more.

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    Ok folks....settle down. Tone is getting a little hot under the collar here. Bear in mind you need to speak your opinion and leave others to theirs. Politics is always a dangerous subject.

    Of course everybody thinks THEIR views are RIGHT and everyone else is an idiot. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] But just for discussion's sake, loosen up and give a few minutes to think about the other side's thoughts and then...LET IT GO. This is for thoughtful debate...not arguing, convincing or getting steamy.

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