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  • #21
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Quote[/b] (Spectabilis73 @ May 05 2004,7:23)]
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Quote[/b] (PlantAKiss @ May 05 2004,8:30)]I have a simpler solution. Get a MAC.
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MACs <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>SUCK!</span>
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I have interenet washer, hack tracer, norton, Popup Blockers, etc. etc.

Oh, and if I get a email like "hi, how are you?" I just delete them, they're almost always spam! I've also been getting spam e-mails with "RE:" in them! Filthy little Fat Ba**a*ds
Check with your ISP. They usually have a email prefernce that allows you to turn on a spam guard and virus filter. Although not perfect, my ISP blocks 50+ spams a week with only 2-3 getting through. This goes for the viri as well. My previous post mentioned I delete virus by hand, thats only if they get through my ISP and this has not happend in the last several months due to a system upgrade on their end.
 
  • #22
Est,

I don't think that switching to Linux is going to help any of the people who will be effected by Sasser. There is already a patch that prevents this from infecting Windows computers. People who are doing a good job of keeping up with their patches most likely know what they are doing, and will not be effected. People who do not know what they are doing, or have limited computer knowledge would likely not benefit by switching to a variant of Linux. It will, of course, require making sure that there are drivers present for all of their hardware, it will mean all of their windows software and games will basically cease to function, and it will still need to be patched. Linux needs patches just like Windows. I'm not trying to be down on Linux, but I don't think it is a solution for people who do not set up their computers properly, and for those who don't maintain them properly either.

See ya,
Pat
 
  • #23
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Quote[/b] (NickHubbell @ May 06 2004,1:32)]
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Spectabilis73 @ May 05 2004,7:23)]
[b said:
Quote[/b] (PlantAKiss @ May 05 2004,8:30)]I have a simpler solution.  Get a MAC.  
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MACs <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>SUCK!</span>
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I have interenet washer, hack tracer, norton, Popup Blockers, etc. etc.

Oh, and if I get a email like "hi, how are you?" I just delete them, they're almost always spam! I've also been getting spam e-mails with "RE:" in them! Filthy little Fat Ba**a*ds
Check with your ISP. They usually have a email prefernce that allows you to turn on a spam guard and virus filter. Although not perfect, my ISP blocks 50+ spams a week with only 2-3 getting through. This goes for the viri as well. My previous post mentioned I delete virus by hand, thats only if they get through my ISP and this has not happend in the last several months due to a system upgrade on their end.
I need something more powerful than that... I'm dealing with 100 e-mails a day here!
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  • #24
The most powerful filtering software I know of is Popfile. I work for an email company, and we have tested various filters, and this is the one we have found to the most accurate after training*.

Check it out: http://popfile.sourceforge.net/manual/installing.html

You train it as to what is your mail, and what is junk mail. You can also train it to recognize and filter other kinds of mail if you'd like.


*Training: You have to show it examples of typical mail, and you will want to check the spam folder for the first few weeks or so to make sure it is classifying everything correctly. After about three days, you don't really have to check the spam folder at all, unless you start getting a new type of mail. At this time, I would recommend adding magnets, which are sort of like a white list- they guarentee your messsages won't be misclassfieid based on the sender or subject. But do this after you have trained PopFile.
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  • #25
Victory is Mine!
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The IT guy worked his techno-mojo, so after several hours of deep scanning courtesy of Norton, my comp is now free of viruses, and Norton itself is now keeping watch over my system. So now my computer is nice, clean, and defragged. Yay!
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  • #26
What I am getting at is that they block the junk from my system before I even receive it on my end. There could be more emails than what I stated as I have the bulk/spam deleted after 4 days.
 
  • #27
Hi All

As for the choice of platform for the individual, I like MAC OS X, which has a UNIX core. As some have said that there is no reason to make viruses for the Mac and lunix because there is not a lot of them or just to go after the bigger platform. This is an untrue statement; there are some 30.000.000 Macs in operation around the world. Lunix users are around 15.000.000 on Pc based computers. We also forget about Sun systems and a few others that run on PC based systems. I like Windows computers (I am not a fan of XP) but one of the reasons that there are A lot of people that attack Windows is that there are a lot of holes within the operating system, plus there is protocols that windows puts in that are for reporting back things to Microsoft (Hardware, software ect)

It is about choice and not one sucks; it is what the Users are used to. I have one thing to say about open source. Open source allows for development of applications and tweaking of the system. Also this is what Hackers and Spy ware really go after. Linux is mostly open source and now the Unix in Macintosh. People will go after them but they have a jump on security for their systems due to Macintosh not giving out their source code out and being propriety to them and only them, Linux allows for open source but allows the end User to work within their system to not allow attacks. So Lets not go on tangents about This Sucks and this is better.

Just some thoughts

Jim


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  • #28
A spyware program has slipped through my Norton AV and is annoying the heck out of me.  Is their any program out there that will remove it???  
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  • #29
Ad-aware and Spybot Search-and-destroy.
The former being a bit easier to use. Go to google.com, type in either name and you be able to get these programs.
 
  • #30
HAW HAW HAW! Seeeeeee? YAY for MacIntosh!

The majority of Mac users have used PCs...the majority of PC users have never touched a Mac. Soooo...the Mac users KNOW what the differences are and prefer their Macs. The PC users...well...I feel bad for you.
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When they switched me to a PC at the office, everyone said "You're just not used to it...you'll like it once you get familiar with it." Pffffffffftt! I hate this "state of the art" PC. Cumbersome, annoying, time-wasting machine. Bah!

Gimme a Mac annnny day.
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YAY for Phil and Mike returning from the dark side into the SUN.
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  • #31
!!! Never read trashcans post until just now *woops*
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. My only point is that it always takes time for the "cure" for a virus to be released, how many users do you think were effected since then? Another nice point of Linux, you brought up the fact that you would "need to get" drivers for your hardware if you switch OSs, the great part is that Linux already HAS drivers, you can always get different ones, but it comes with drivers for everything already. There a few points that I can agree with you though, a). Games, Windows for me is just used a games platform, and only when I can't run a game using WINE, b). not being stupid on the user end can be a big factor in avoiding get a virus, but then, there are the ones that simply slip in through open ports, or that activate themselves when you simply click on a email, you don't need to download anything, just click the email... I myself would just rather be assured that something like that doesn't happen, Linux requires some changes is you want it to be bullet-proof but it as a bare bones product is more secure that any Windows version. Last point, many organizations use Linux as a software firewall, if that's not security... Oh, and as for Adaware and Spybot S&D find different spyware, there are occasional items that one will find, but not the other, but if I had to choose one, I'd go with Adaware.
 
  • #32
Hey Est,

I agree with most of your post, but the point I was trying to make is that the drivers may NOT exist, in which case they certainly would not be included. Quite a lot of consumer devices do not yet have drivers for Linux. I can see the situation is quickly changing, but I there are still a lot of devices that do not work. For example, my memory card reader for my digital camera refused to work. I have two, and I was able to set-up one after some work, but it was not trivial. I also have a DVD-RAM camera that does not work, and will probably never work. And not to mention Centrino wireless.. Just recently drivers were released, and are improving, but they definitely aren't included with many distributions of Linux. These are specific examples, but I'm not interested in arguing whether or not these devices work, just trying to show that many devices do not work properly and are not supported in Linux. I mean, you can't go out and just buy hardware and expect it work for Linux, you have to research what hardware is supported. So, if you're migrating from Windows -> Linux, there is a fairly likely chance that your hardware will not be supported, or not all of the features will work (my USB printer's memory card slot for example doesn't work, although it prints acceptably).

Ok, going off-tangent there, sorry. The point I was trying to make, was that computers are already hard enough for many people to use. Switching to Linux will not make it easier, and certainly won't be easier to set up compared to pre-installed version of Windows. It is much easier to maintain a Windows computer than it is to migrate all of your data, and install and learn how to use a completely new operating system.

For anyone who is wondering the proper way to maintain a Windows computer here is a summary:

* Use Windows Update once a week. If you have Windows XP, you can automate this to be daily.
* Use Adaware once a week. Don't panic if it says you have a million things, it also flags fairly harmless things like cookies.
* Install some sort of virus scanner, and have it set to run automatically every day. There are several free ones. Set it to update itself once a week as well.
* Only install software from companies you trust. Realize that many things that are free pay for development by installing ad-software on your computer.

And for people who are willing to go a little further:
* Use Firefox as your browser instead of IE.
* Use Mozilla Thunderbird instead of Outlook Express.
* Purchase a router with a firewall if you have broadband internet.

If anyone has questions about any of that, ask, and I can explain in further detail.

Also, regarding the viruses (actually they are usually worms), the patch is almost always available before the worm spreads. The patch for Blaster was available two months before it started spreading. It spread anyway because of a lack of maintenance. If we start having legions of people using Linux, and not patching their computer, you will start to see similar problems.

Anyway, I'm hungry... Switching to Linux is certainly not a quick fix for security problems. You have to setup Linux for security just as you do for Windows, and there is a migration process that can be painful even for advanced computer users, and beginning computer users will likely fail (without assistance). It is much easier to maintain a current windows installation than it is to migrate all of a person's data, throw all of their current applications, and set up an entirely new operating system.

See ya,
Pat
 
  • #33
WOW, thanks for the great post Patrick. I am always worried about virus and security. I am always getting infected email :-(
 
  • #34
Yes, thank you very much Pat, you bring up some excellent points, a lot of trouble can be avoided by good habits, i.e. patching, etc. In my experience, the largest source of problems comes from lack of awareness, people don't know about spyware, people don't know why their computer is acting funny, some people simply don't understand that visiting "stupidpoopie.com" sites is a good idea, especially if you dont have virus/spyware removers. Last point on Linux is that change is always hard at first, for instance, would it be a good idea for the US to switch to the metric system? Of course, but people refuse to make a big switch simply because it's overwhelming to think about, and the benefits just don't seem to come fast enough. See, I don't like having to boast Linux, but the Windows is just a bad platform (it's no fun working to fix an illogical system, can anyone say divided by zero?), but I definitley agree that the main point is less what OS you use, and more your habits. If people run in to a problem, I'm always more than glad to help because I make sure that they understand what the problem was, so that in the future they can take care of it themselves, and also help others. Glad we could resolve this peacefully (now if only other people would learn)
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  • #35
I am a XP user but also know that XP is a favorite target of mean-spirited PC savvy. I know nothing of MAC except they make nice shells for the system very fashionable. XP still to this days has at least 6 holes I know of, on most sytems that is. Trojans can be imlpemented easily on XP through many sources. I never cared for Linux personally though there is nothing wrong with it. As mentioned previously though it will not make anything easier for the folks who are worried about spies, viruses, trojans, etc.... As these are the people who just don't know in the first place how to really "tweek" their sytems. Linux is for people who are serious computer users. I have "experimented" with friendly trojans which are the most fun. It's unbeleivable how easy it is to enter usually. Sometimes asking your firewall for directions
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It really comes down to knowing your comp. and programs and the environment around you. Knowledge IS power! It's all too easy to appeal to the nature of people and come to them with proposals that they can't help but CLICK. I have a friend that continually visits porn sites and is constantly bogged in all kinds of spies, viruses and whatever and I tell him STAY AWAY FROM THAT JUNK. Thats where it all comes from. Again too much appeal to be avoided fro him.
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  • #36
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Quote[/b] ]As mentioned previously though it will not make anything easier for the folks who are worried about spies, viruses, trojans, etc....
*ahem* Actually, that's incorrect, there are no viruses, or spyware on Linux. Tweeking is only about adding on, when you get it out of the box, or download, it already comes virtually bulletproof. Tweeks would only be made if A) you didn't ever want to simply download the update (works automatically, nothing special on your part) or B) to protect you machine from ALL intrusions, that is, people who are determined to break in to your system. Futhermore, I know for fact that Suse Linux has been working on a high-security version, so that you wouldn't need to anything yourself anyway. As for you friend, I guess that he's screwed until they come up with clean dirty sites
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  • #37
I'm sorry that didn't accurately say what I meant. What I meant was that people who are constantly concerned with the virus, etc... problem are usually not all that skilled with the comp. they have. Where as people who are a bit more skilled are not in the frenzy that the others are. While Linux is less at threat it requires more knowledge, which is already a problem with the easier system that they are using. It would be more efficient for more many reasons if they became skilled in windows or whatever then moved on to the Linux or MAC
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(I forgot its name). At least the people that I know even on XP are not terribly concerned with viruses blah blah, etc... Intrusion would not be easy and probably a wrong move for you
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. Because they are comfortable with their knowledge and system they have.
My point is that by "worried about spies etc..." I meant and should have written uncomfortable with their knowledge and sytems operation.

I meant fine tuning if you will.

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  • #39
Hi all

The virus's of linux and mac are not one's that will blow it out of the water
and have to do reinstalls. Windows computers are always going to have the numbers,but in time Mac and linux will increas as theyn are doing now. As a tid bit of info.. THe mac os x has been developed to run on a pc, it still intesting. I wonder if life became just about virus free by converting and having a new os on your pc's Hummmmm just thinking :eek:)
 
  • #40
The spyware my computer had accumulated over three years had slowed it down to the point I was going to reinstall windows...which is not a fun job...just to get things cleaned up.  I installed Ad-aware as Patrick suggested and could not believe how great it worked.  My puter boots in one-quarter the time and my programs are running much faster.
Thanks for the info Trashcan.  
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