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    The IT guy worked his techno-mojo, so after several hours of deep scanning courtesy of Norton, my comp is now free of viruses, and Norton itself is now keeping watch over my system. So now my computer is nice, clean, and defragged. Yay! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]
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    What I am getting at is that they block the junk from my system before I even receive it on my end. There could be more emails than what I stated as I have the bulk/spam deleted after 4 days.



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    Hi All

    As for the choice of platform for the individual, I like MAC OS X, which has a UNIX core. As some have said that there is no reason to make viruses for the Mac and lunix because there is not a lot of them or just to go after the bigger platform. This is an untrue statement; there are some 30.000.000 Macs in operation around the world. Lunix users are around 15.000.000 on Pc based computers. We also forget about Sun systems and a few others that run on PC based systems. I like Windows computers (I am not a fan of XP) but one of the reasons that there are A lot of people that attack Windows is that there are a lot of holes within the operating system, plus there is protocols that windows puts in that are for reporting back things to Microsoft (Hardware, software ect)

    It is about choice and not one sucks; it is what the Users are used to. I have one thing to say about open source. Open source allows for development of applications and tweaking of the system. Also this is what Hackers and Spy ware really go after. Linux is mostly open source and now the Unix in Macintosh. People will go after them but they have a jump on security for their systems due to Macintosh not giving out their source code out and being propriety to them and only them, Linux allows for open source but allows the end User to work within their system to not allow attacks. So Lets not go on tangents about This Sucks and this is better.

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    A spyware program has slipped through my Norton AV and is annoying the heck out of me. Is their any program out there that will remove it [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif[/img]

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    Ad-aware and Spybot Search-and-destroy.
    The former being a bit easier to use. Go to google.com, type in either name and you be able to get these programs.

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    HAW HAW HAW! Seeeeeee? YAY for MacIntosh!

    The majority of Mac users have used PCs...the majority of PC users have never touched a Mac. Soooo...the Mac users KNOW what the differences are and prefer their Macs. The PC users...well...I feel bad for you. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/img]

    When they switched me to a PC at the office, everyone said "You're just not used to it...you'll like it once you get familiar with it." Pffffffffftt! I hate this "state of the art" PC. Cumbersome, annoying, time-wasting machine. Bah!

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    !!! Never read trashcans post until just now *woops* [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif[/img]. My only point is that it always takes time for the "cure" for a virus to be released, how many users do you think were effected since then? Another nice point of Linux, you brought up the fact that you would "need to get" drivers for your hardware if you switch OSs, the great part is that Linux already HAS drivers, you can always get different ones, but it comes with drivers for everything already. There a few points that I can agree with you though, a). Games, Windows for me is just used a games platform, and only when I can't run a game using WINE, b). not being stupid on the user end can be a big factor in avoiding get a virus, but then, there are the ones that simply slip in through open ports, or that activate themselves when you simply click on a email, you don't need to download anything, just click the email... I myself would just rather be assured that something like that doesn't happen, Linux requires some changes is you want it to be bullet-proof but it as a bare bones product is more secure that any Windows version. Last point, many organizations use Linux as a software firewall, if that's not security... Oh, and as for Adaware and Spybot S&D find different spyware, there are occasional items that one will find, but not the other, but if I had to choose one, I'd go with Adaware.
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    Hey Est,

    I agree with most of your post, but the point I was trying to make is that the drivers may NOT exist, in which case they certainly would not be included. Quite a lot of consumer devices do not yet have drivers for Linux. I can see the situation is quickly changing, but I there are still a lot of devices that do not work. For example, my memory card reader for my digital camera refused to work. I have two, and I was able to set-up one after some work, but it was not trivial. I also have a DVD-RAM camera that does not work, and will probably never work. And not to mention Centrino wireless.. Just recently drivers were released, and are improving, but they definitely aren't included with many distributions of Linux. These are specific examples, but I'm not interested in arguing whether or not these devices work, just trying to show that many devices do not work properly and are not supported in Linux. I mean, you can't go out and just buy hardware and expect it work for Linux, you have to research what hardware is supported. So, if you're migrating from Windows -> Linux, there is a fairly likely chance that your hardware will not be supported, or not all of the features will work (my USB printer's memory card slot for example doesn't work, although it prints acceptably).

    Ok, going off-tangent there, sorry. The point I was trying to make, was that computers are already hard enough for many people to use. Switching to Linux will not make it easier, and certainly won't be easier to set up compared to pre-installed version of Windows. It is much easier to maintain a Windows computer than it is to migrate all of your data, and install and learn how to use a completely new operating system.

    For anyone who is wondering the proper way to maintain a Windows computer here is a summary:

    * Use Windows Update once a week. If you have Windows XP, you can automate this to be daily.
    * Use Adaware once a week. Don't panic if it says you have a million things, it also flags fairly harmless things like cookies.
    * Install some sort of virus scanner, and have it set to run automatically every day. There are several free ones. Set it to update itself once a week as well.
    * Only install software from companies you trust. Realize that many things that are free pay for development by installing ad-software on your computer.

    And for people who are willing to go a little further:
    * Use Firefox as your browser instead of IE.
    * Use Mozilla Thunderbird instead of Outlook Express.
    * Purchase a router with a firewall if you have broadband internet.

    If anyone has questions about any of that, ask, and I can explain in further detail.

    Also, regarding the viruses (actually they are usually worms), the patch is almost always available before the worm spreads. The patch for Blaster was available two months before it started spreading. It spread anyway because of a lack of maintenance. If we start having legions of people using Linux, and not patching their computer, you will start to see similar problems.

    Anyway, I'm hungry... Switching to Linux is certainly not a quick fix for security problems. You have to setup Linux for security just as you do for Windows, and there is a migration process that can be painful even for advanced computer users, and beginning computer users will likely fail (without assistance). It is much easier to maintain a current windows installation than it is to migrate all of a person's data, throw all of their current applications, and set up an entirely new operating system.

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