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    Interesting to read, I used to read my dads high times mags when i was young... just watch out for these type of fellas in dark cars. ----->[img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blues.gif[/img]

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    There is a time and a place. Tooling around in cars getting stoned isn't then or there. But in my living room I am King, and will rule myself. I believe most American's feel the same.
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    To me that icon I used is a federal agent (man in black) not "hip" or whatever it's supposed to signify. I was joking about the paranoia that comes with the herb.
    All I'm sayin' is this is a public forum and whatnot... never quite know who's reading!

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    Most of you probably already know how I will answer this, but probaly not why.

    NO!

    Please read this entire response. It is long, sorry. I know it is not the popular response.

    My unfortunate experience with drugs and alcohol began at birth. My first father, my real father, is a good man, but a sever alcoholic. He beat my mother contently. My earliest childhood memories involve him breaking her arm and holding a gun to her head. I was just about three then. My real father has not touched booze since my mother left him soon after that.

    Yeah, great, she left. Nope, from the frying pan and into the fire. I later found out that my real father starting drinking heavily and beating my mother because she tended to drink and cheat on him. She moved in with her lover. I do not know that you could call him a good man. He had his good moments. He was a drug dealer and an alcoholic. The beatings were far worse. He was a large man with an evil temper. My older brothers were beat for protecting her or she was beat for protecting them. The dope, mostly marijuana flowed freely. There were several dope parties a week. I learned not to ask my mother to have him turn down the music because I had to go to school the next day. It always earned her a beating. After a while you even became use to the men at the parties leering at you. (really got bad after female development started). He always started off with the marijuana. It relaxed him. It also took the inhibitions off. He had no problem hitting her then (now it has been heard off. I think we just do not talk about it). He really did not get much heavier than marijuana. There was hash and some coke, but that was expensive. Money did not matter that much. If he needed the dope the kids just ate less. Life was a living ####. The beating did stop for years until after I turned ten and I had a talk with him. I will not go over what I told him, but it was short and he knew that I meant it. Ten is too early to grow up folks. Actually I grew up well before that. At that point I had just had enough and took matters onto myself. I had been caring for the house since I was eight. My mother was a drunk and addict to. Someone had to do it. The parties still went on and my brothers were still beat sometimes. It was great when the police came and took him away for awhile. You could breath easy. You see, when he was home you had to be quiet. You stayed to your room because you did not want to see.

    Every morning he would wake up and spend several minutes trying to hack up his lungs. I sometimes which he would just throw one and it would be over. God forgive me. He was consently ill.

    When I was twelve he offered me a joint. I told him no. He said I was going to have one sometime, I might as well have it with him. I will not repeat my statement.

    He died when I was 15, but she found another. I left the day I turned 17. When they did the autopsy on him his lungs were full of resin. My mother did not tell them that he smoked pot. The doctor cam out and said that he, my father, must have smoked lots of pot and told us why he knew.

    The good is that (years and years later) my mother got help. She does not use alcohol of drugs any longer. She has been dry and clean for more than 13 years.

    I am the black sheep. I broke away and became the enemy. Some of my brothers followed suit (after my fathers that is). They are dope dealers. They beat their children because their wives are gone. Not very good women because they left their children to this. These brothers have spent most of there lives in one prison or another. Not just because of marijuana, but it is part. They use and sell other drugs (one does not use alcohol).

    Is this isolated. NO! I am officer because of my experiences. I do not want other children to live through this. I see it all the time. I am told, “It started with marijuana. That wasn’t bad so I tried...” Alcohol also has a great involvement, but some do not use it. I have teens come to me and ask for help. I train women in self defense and try to give them the knowledge on how to stay out of a bad situation. I hate it when they ask stupid questions like, “well, what do you do if your at a party and your drunk or stoned”. Easy answer. Don’t get drunk or stoned.

    I agree that marijuana use does not appear too bad (look under the surface, study). I agree it matters who is using and how it is being use. I agree that it may have some medicinal purposes and should have allowed use in this area.

    Some of you state that alcohol should be made illegal and marijuana made legal. What is the difference between the two now? legality. Some say if marijuana is made legal that less people will use it because the thrill of doing something illegal is gone. Yeah right, that worked well with alcohol and cigarettes, didn’t it. All it will do is cause the same problem we now see with alcohol. I have worked injury DUI accidents were the intoxicant was marijuana and no alcohol was present. These are difficult. We do not need to add another legal intoxicant. More people will use if it is legal.

    I know that I do not deal with all the people that use marijuana. Most do not give me reason to make contact and are probably safe from me and my follows. I deal with the ones that use marijuana and other drugs a lot. It is funny that I get the same excuses and reasoning from people that use marijuana and those that use meth, coke and other drugs. Using marijuana is an infraction folks. Its like running a stop sign. But those that use it, as you say, reasonably will never see me.

    Here are some facts.

    Reduced ability to perform tasks requiring concentration and coordination such as driving a car
    Increased heart rate
    Bloodshot eyes
    Dry mouth and throat
    Altered motivation and cognition, making the acquisition of new information difficult
    Impairments in learning and memory, perception, and judgment - difficulty speaking, listening effectively, thinking, retaining knowledge, problem solving, and forming concepts
    Intense anxiety, panic attacks, or paranoia
    Breathing problems
    Long-term use can result in smoking-related problems such as bronchitis and asthma
    Heavy use of marijuana can affect both male and female hormones.
    Animal studies have found that THC (the active ingredient in marijuana) can damage the cells and tissues that help protect people from disease.
    Extended use increases risk to the lungs and reproductive system, as well as suppression of the immune system.
    The short-term effects of marijuana can include problems with memory and learning; distorted perception; difficulty in thinking and problem solving; loss of coordination; and increased heart rate. Research findings for long-term marijuana use indicate some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term use of other major drugs of abuse. For example, cannabinoid (THC or synthetic forms of THC) withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system(6) and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine(7). Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.

    A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers. Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

    Even infrequent use can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, often accompanied by a heavy cough. Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers do, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, a heightened risk of lung infections, and a greater tendency to obstructed airways. Smoking marijuana increases the likelihood of developing cancer of the head or neck, and the more marijuana smoked the greater the increase. A study comparing 173 cancer patients and 176 healthy individuals produced strong evidence that marijuana smoking doubled or tripled the risk of these cancers.

    Marijuana use also has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because it contains irritants and carcinogens(12, 13). In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke(14). It also produces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form—levels that may accelerate the changes that ultimately produce malignant cells(15). Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which increases the lungs’ exposure to carcinogenic smoke.

    You are all still my friends and your use or not use will not change that. If I visit, please put it away (unless you are in Vermont).
    I am just like a Super Hero, but without the power or motivation.................and the funky suit.

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    i completly understand your position Copper, my thing is that i really hate ppl telling me what to do. ive had limited experiances with drugs mostly alcohol and marijuana, never tried coke or meth and never wanted to. always thought mushrooms would be an interesting experiment but have yet to try them. i have had about every OTC nacotic there is short of morphine perscribed to me and i hate them all. i drive my fiancee nuts because i often refuse to take a T3 or 2 even though she knows my knees are killing me. i always enjoyed marijuana and will prolly use it again. i agree it does cause lung problems and wish it would be legalized mainly so it would be easier to get the active ingredients in pill form. i know they already make it but it is quite difficult to get. or make it legal to make it cheaper so i could just bake a pan of brownies instead of smoking it. alcohol is something i have while sitting and BSing with friends. i have a fully stocked liquor cabinet that almost never gets touched unless friends are over. i dont keep beer in my fridge cause it usually goes bad before i get around to having one. i just hate ppl telling me what i can and cant do in my house.

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    I started smoking Marijauna when I was 12 and about 13-14 I started using acid (LSD) and crank (Meth) occasionally. I would go over to a friends house and his older brother would give it to us for free. It continued like that for about 2 years. At 16 I left school, though I was never there but maybe 1 or 2 days a week anyway. I started selling and doing Meth everyday and Coke a little in between for the next 8 years along with Marijauna and Codeine syrup to ease comedown from the others. I decided to quit after many friends had become locked up or were dead sadly about half and half. Conspiracy charges, overdose, shootouts, had taken its toll. I quit but the few friends that were still around weren't supportive at all and continued to offer at every chance. This about the time I met a girl who eventually became my wife. To help with keeping an ex-tweeker's mind occupied she bought me one of those bonsai trees. It kept my mind occupied but eventually led me into cactus and now CPs. I have been totally clean for 4 years except I do indulge in beer but not for getting drunk, I am an avid enjoyer of imported and dark brews, finely brewed beer. I drink for the taste, I rarely drink a whole 6 pack. I never drink hard alcohol.

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    Yes, but there is a reason. The laws are to deal with society as a whole and can not be made to deal with each separate individual. The sad fact that there are a lot of people that do not act responsibly and others must be protected from them. The laws tell you that you can not beat your children. They also tell you and others that substances that may lead to problems can not be used. Again, if you are responsibly using something in your own home you will probably never see an officer about it because we will not know.

    Sadly, making marijuana legal will not make the pill cheaper. The medicinal companies are allowed to produce it. They will make excuses to keep the pills expensive because you need them. I have this problem with the medication for my son. He will die without it and must have it all. I can never let my insurance lapse. The new stuff and better stuff always cost more. They have you were it hurts and they know it. I think a health reform is in order. I think that there are several illegal drugs that may have some medicinal purpose and there are catagories separating those that do from those that do not. If they will help someone they should be prescribed and used. This medication should be made easy to get. That is what we should fight for, not its complete legalization.

    Alcohol is legal and is not always abused. I like to have a drink of wine or a beer on my days off. It is a sign that I do not have to work. But I do not abuse alcohol. I have seen its effects close up and personal. In early college I drank too much for a short time and found that I have violent tendencies when drunk. I am responsible and I do not go there. I am never what one could call intoxicated because I know it is somewhere I can not go. I do not think that there is anything wrong with consuming alcohol. The problem is excess and the effect on others. I hope that makes sense.
    I am just like a Super Hero, but without the power or motivation.................and the funky suit.

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    my view is that people use it too much i think it should be legalised because even good drugs can make you feel wiered or kill you if you take enougth of it so its exactlly the same i know peoples lifes get destroyed by it but its just medicien and who knows paracetamals could ge bad for you its best to not think that a medicien can kill people but it can



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