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    you can have an automatic weapon. however it requires an extensive background check and the $200 machine gun transfer stamp. also truely legal machine guns cost big $$$$, i beleive a legal full auto M16 is around $4000 or more, a semi auto AR-15 can be had for $500. black market ones are quite a bit cheaper since alot of small arms like my SKS and the Ruger mini 14 can be made fully automatic by anyone with a lil knowlege and the skill to do it. just thought i would clear this bit of info up. should this bill pass and i doubt it will, there will be ALOT of the newly illegal SAW's well hidden by ppl such as myself across the country.

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    i just found this post on another forum. its not mine but i thought i would copy it here. ps RTKABA means "The Right To Keep And Bare Arms"

    I keep hearing mention of the notion that one is likely to "lose his RTKABA if he does this or that." One cannot lose that right. Who would take it away? The Government? Impossible, as the government was not the source of this right to start with. The only thing government can do is to stop recognizing a man's RTKABA, in essence declare war on his personal liberties, making him a second class citizen (a sort of serf-status or slave, really) in the Republic. His rights, however, remain exactly as they were when he first acquired adult status.

    We are endowed by our Creator (NOT GOVERNMENT) with certain inalienable rights. Among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Now, having a right to something, means that one may rightly defend that thing. Having a right to life, for instance, mean that we have the right to defend our life, and to the effective means thereto, i.e., the latest in personal arms, otherwise we cannot truly say that we have a right to life. It is precisely to secure this right to personal arms (among other rights) that legitimate governments are instituted among men to start with. That's legitimate government's only real function. If it fails in that function, it has become destructive to its own ends, and the word for that is tyranny. In which case it becomes the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government. So, when government seeks to deny a human being at liberty an inalienable right (i.e., a right permanently attached to his being a human being at liberty), it actually loses its own legitimacy as a government.
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    i cant find the bill on the senate.gov web site. where did you find it?

    Rattler

    EDIT: i found it.....it originated in the House not in the Senate as H. R. 2038 and this one is SCARY in what it eliminates.
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    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...ery.html|

    is the website....down on the bottom is Text of Legislation and that is the actual bill. read it for yourself and if you have any knowlege of rifles your jaw WILL DROP! some of those rifles such as the AR-15's are made by alot of different companies here in the United States. this bann would basically make those companies close their doors and they employ lots of good hard working americans who are just making rifles that are usually used for "punching paper" or for shooting varmints.

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    i'm ALL for it. less guns is a good thing. we don't even need guns at all.

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    Capslock,

    The intent of our forefathers when they wrote the right to bear arms in the constitution was so that normal people could protect and defend themselves from foriegn and domestic threats.

    Banning hunting amunition, rifles that are in a very small way a threat to the public, and on top of that, giving 1 single person SOLE RIGHT to name what gets banned is very much against the intent of the constitution.

    Think of it this way, if this bill passes the Attorney General has the power to make EVERY SINGLE GUN a SAW, hence making them illiegal. So now it gets worse, not only does the senate take away part of our rights, they also give one person the power to completly suspend our constitutional right.


    As far as Tamlins post on the Bush admin, this bill is sponsored by John Kerry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (JustLikeAPill @ July 19 2004,1:32)]i'm ALL for it. less guns is a good thing. we don't even need guns at all.
    Or the freedom of speech

    or the freedom to choose your own religion

    or the freedom of the press

    Naw, we don't need any of that silly stuff.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but wern't you saying that the gov't didn't have the right to pass an amendment saying that gays could not marry?

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    after some carefull reading, no action has been made on this since June 2003 isnt this the one that was sunk not long ago? as to "we dont need guns" thats what Hitler told the Jews and look what happened there. i use guns for hunting and putting food on the table. i also keep them on hand to defend my family and property. the criminals will have guns and so will I.

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