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    well its not ALL-TRADE its altrade al for alfredo (my name).. and i know this is not to get free plants,a nd i know it is to disscuss and learn, thats why i also post for help in other sections, you can ask anyone, as a matter of fact, you helped me out on questions before! and i never say i wont trade, i just never say i do, that does not mean i wont, usually i would wait till the other people pm me then i'd ask if they'd like a pack of seeds or so that i got from SASE's orr what not, dont take it personal but dont be so quick so jump at correcting others mistakes without really knowing if they made one, i do fully understand what you are saying though tamlin, thanks for your concern..

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    You know, the thing you offer to trade sometimes doent always have to be carnivorous, altough most members would prefer that it were. Perhaps you have an unusual tree or shurb around your house, and you propigated seedlings from it and offerd to trade some seedlings for any carnivorus plant hat you dont already have. The species range would be broad, and if anyone was interested they would offer to trade. If not... well not many people need tree seedlings anyway.


    For example; a few years ago there was a Alternate-Leaf Dogwood living on the edge of our property. Its a vary hardy species that can survive where most other dogwoods would fail, like in dry upland sites. A great wildlife tree that provided food for a whole range of species ; it is virtualy inpossible to obtain one in the hotaculture trade, because it is distinguished from similar species by minar botonical differences, like leaf arrangement.

    Say i took 5 white berries from that shrub and sprouted them (i wish i had now.)
    Boom! the saplings would be something you could offer for trade. if anyone was interested, great! if not, then, well, you have 5 fine young specimans of a tough and uncommon shrub to plant trought your yard, or, wherever.

    Thats a way you could obtain something tradeable. I wish i had propigated that shrub now for trading; it was removed 2 years ago for construction.
    that makes no logic

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    I wonder if anyone is interested in trading crab grass? You say why crab grass? Keeps people off your yard. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]
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    Sand burrs do the job mutch better
    that makes no logic

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    I hope you see my point about learning to grow well enough to produce your own trade material? That is the point I am trying to make here.

    Sure, trading for other things is fine, but it doesn't bring the RESPECT.

    Other options on the trade forum include a simple request format "Looking for Nepenthes argentii: please PM me to discuss the details" this allows you make contact and work it out in private. If you can convince someone to give you what you want , it is between you and them.

    But, until you offer your own material, you will still remain a "newbie", and this will limit you. I look for growers to share my plants with. Growers who demonstrate both skill and sharing are the ones who get boxes of plants from my collection, eventually.
    "Grow More, Share More"

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    If I am a grower of other intermediate -difficult tropicals, am I still a newbie when i started on Cps?

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    you stop being a newbie when you gain respect, give it, know what your talking about, and share.

    that's what i think anyway lol.

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    Mastering a species means growing it from seed to seed, and sharing those seeds you produced is the best demonstration that you have acieved this. After a few demonstrations, people figure you are a good bet to keep the ball rolling with their rare material, if and when it is produced.

    Hmmmm, just because you can grow orchids, tropicals or cacti doesn't mean that you have CP culture down, although someone with a taste for rare exotics and can grow them well certainly shows potential.

    See, newbies don't have the big picture yet. I may post a photo of D. graomogolensis and have 5 people PM me asking for it. It is a stunningly beautiful plant! WHat they dont realize is that someone initially shelled out several thousand dollars, and scrambled through rotting shale, pricker bushes, picking off slime leeches, and boiling inside their skin, and dodging illegal gold miners who shoot first and ask questions later. Then it is hunt belly down until *maybe* the plants are found and identified. Specimens have to be collected, recorded, packaged and shipped. Then someone has to grow them, (takes almost 2 years for seed) and offer the resulting seed for sale (expensive). It is not just sold to anyone (as above), and if you are not in the IN crowd, you need to find some kind soul lucky enough to have gotten a piece of it, has grown it, and has it or seed for sale. This is where I usually come in to the picture. I have a good rep as a skilled and generous grower. Still, I looked and begged for 5 years for D. graomogolensis before finding it. I still am looking for D. chrysolepsis. Now my first seed is ripening! Do you think, after all this, that I am going to share this with someone who is asking "how do I grow D. capensis"? Nope. Not going to happen. I will share with someone who is likewise growing similarly related species, in hopes that it will result in a trickle down effect over time.

    But there is a danger here as well! This methodology has been attempted by other growers, and it has been a failure! Following just this protocol usually means the material is circulated in an elite circle, which is NOT optimal if you want to see it become well established in general cultivation. So, I do some teaching and observing. When I see successes start coming from a novice grower, and other less rare material being grown well and *shared*, THEN I will offer them a chance to help with the work of spreading it.

    How else to go about it? I am open to suggestions.
    "Grow More, Share More"

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