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    Yeah you should watch the show called Venom ER in the afternoon on animal planet. It's really informational and neat to watch. They do a great job. On neutralizing the venom. Too bad you weren't transported there.
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    I have no doubt the pain was mindnubbing. NO I haven't been bit. Does that mean I don't know anything about snake bites or pain?
    If you reread my statement you will see that I said the standard protocol for copperhead is to monitor the swelling. Antivenin is reserved for severe cases and for certain other more poisonous snakes. On your first visit there was probably only localized swelling so in that instance antivenin would not be appropriate. Only later would it become apparant whether you would need the antivenin or not. In almost all cases of copperhead bites it is not used and the patient recovers. To treat everyone with antivenin across the board as soon as they showed up with a snake bite would likely cause more damage than good because of the potential side effects, as well as use up very expensive and in short supply antivenin possibly making it unavailable for someone that truely needs it.

    Sorry you got bit.. but it's not the hospital or the physicians fault you did.



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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (ChronoKiento @ Sep. 27 2004,3:11)]Yeah you should watch the show called Venom ER in the afternoon on animal planet. It's really informational and neat to watch. They do a great job. On neutralizing the venom. Too bad you weren't transported there.
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    Yeah thats a pretty good show. I watched it when I was in the hospital for my current condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (rattler_mt @ Sep. 27 2004,3:04)]the new crofab is good stuff serum sickness is almost nonexistant compared to the old type of antivenom but i believe there is a bit of a shortage. to me it doesnt sound like a copperhead although i could be wrong. i would think its prolly a rattler bite as cottonmouths arent anywhere near as aggressive as their reputation says. either way if the swelling was spreading to you chest than yes you needed the antivenom, no question. and no i havent been bit but i know ppl who have. i truely believe your pain was darn near unbearable but for pain in viper bites they normally give morphine unless you blood pressure is low. the antivenom does nothing for pain it just slows the progression of the venom. just curious, how much was your doctor bill? my understanding is that minor venomous snake bites start at about $7000 and go up fast from there, good as reason as any to not keep hots.

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    like i said go up quickly. good to hear you didnt have to pay. not sure why your insurance wouldnt cover. generally they cover bites from snakes unless it happens to be a "pet" in whitch case they usually drop you entirely.

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    I think snakes have a bad reputation of being agressive.
    Their venom is very precious to them and will not attack unless they feel threatened. I've seen that copperheads are actually pretty tollerant to being disturbed. There was this program on... I think national geographic... might have been animal planet... that they tested the agressiveness of cottonmouths and copperheads and found that if you step near them, they usually won't bite. They'll run away... if you gently step on them, cottonmouths will gape their mouth and copperheads may not do anything or if they do something it's usually a dry bite (75% of all venomous snake bites in the US are dry bites) Sometimes you can even gently pick up one of them and they STILL won't bite.
    anyway they will first try to run away/warn you instead of wasting their precious venom on you. rattlesnakes will rattle, cottonmouths will gape, others will hiss, others will rattle their tail so the dry leaves make a noise "similar" to rattlesnakes, etc..
    I've picked up a bunch of snakes and I've only been bitten twice and I provoked both of them. W/ one I picked it up and w/ the other one I cornered it and started taking close up pictures (sort of)(I don't pick venomous ones up by the way... I've never even SEEN one [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_h_32.gif[/img] ). I once picked up a black rat snake and it was faking trying to bite me but it never did (I picked it up and it was going to bite my wrist but I didn't move so it just stopped w/ it's mouth open and when I STILL didn't move it just turned away.)

    are you sure you didn't provoke it? (and don't take that the wrong way... I mean that maybe you went to pick something up and you didn't see it so you put your hand in front of it's face or maybe you sat down and brushed against it or something)
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    Situations like this are just horrible, particularly when someone who has a condition such as yourself has to deal with it. What that store did was clearly wrong.

    However, I don't think it was such a big deal to get worked up over things considered. That $8.00 isn't worth sacrificing your health for. :\

    Of course, now you can take them to the cleaners should you file legal action.
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    Geeze.. talk about overreacting. It's sad how many people are so sue happy these days.

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