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    Once you have read why people believe the opposite of you (again... that branch of creationism concerning evolution), you can THEN (not before where you didn't know what evolution/creationism is) start pointing out their mistakes (SCIENTIFICALLY)
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    This thread has been going really well and i'd like to keep it going. But someone brought to my attention that some of the posts aren't really helpful. Maybe some rules should be implemented to organize this debate.
    1. This thread is about Evolution vs. Creationism, nothing else.
    2. Not more than one topic be debated at a time.
    3. Each side gets equal number of questions (if an evolutionist gets a question, a creationist gets one after that one is through being debated)
    4. Keep it friendly, we don't want the thread locked. Posts calling people "evil" or "ignorant" aren't acceptable. Let's try not to get personal. (i was hoping a moderator could help enforce this rule by editing posts containing those kinds of replys)
    5. Let's keep it as "fact" based as possible. For evolutionist that would mean quoting scientific publications, experiments etc. For creationists that would mean quoting bible texts or other bible based books. Instead of posting a bunch of links, quote the information from the link in addition to providing it so that people that have just began reading the now 33 page thread don't have to keep clicking towards other websites.
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    Hello

    Thanks AE

    Well I guess I will start off...

    I believe the earth was created in six literal, 24-hour days, about
    6000 years ago.

    Here is my question for the evolutionist
    Where did matter come from?

    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Jeremiah Harris @ Jan. 01 2005,3:24)]Here is my question for the evolutionist
    Where did matter come from?
    That pertains to the creation of the universe, not evolution.
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    Hi Alpha Wolf,
    God demonstrated his existence and love for you about 2,000 years ago at the cross. Whether or not you choose to come to a relationship with him is your choice. Like Wes said, Christianity is not about origins or creation V science/evolution, but a relationship. I notice you chose not to remark on my experiences?
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Jeremiah Harris @ Jan. 01 2005,3:24)]Here is my question for the evolutionist
    Where did matter come from?
    It's assumed without question that God always existed and always will, but such a thing isn't possible for energy/matter?

    Anyway... I'm just here to talk. Regulating this discussion is even more futile than trying to actually get a point across, I think. We'll have more posts trying to enforce some kind of structure than we do unhelpful posts already. If this is how the thread is going to be I'm no longer interested, personally.

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    Hi Alpha Wolf,
    Just read another post from you on page 32. There are plenty of references for the existence of Jesus other than biblical references. Josephus, Titus and other historians at that time spoke about him. You also have to look at the lives of the Apostles (Jesus' followers) and why they chose to give up their own way of life to the point of being put to death for what they believed in. OK this last point is circumstantial, but once you have found out that Jesus did exist then the next thing is to look at his claims. He claimed to be the son of God. That leads to 3 possibilities: 1. Was he mad? 2. Was he evil and wanted to delude people? 3. He was telling the truth.
    If you are curious to really find out the truth, then I urge you to investigate it for yourself. An 'Alpha' course would be a good place to start.

    Back to the original topic, I believe that the Earth is appox. 4,500 million years old, there is enough geological evidence to support that one, but in no way does that conflict with the Bible. No where in the Bible does it say the earth is only 6,000 years old. The Hebrow word for 'Day' as translates into English can also mean age. As for evolution? Yes it could have happened that way, but one analogy one could use is 'science can explain the chemical composition, the technique of brush strokes for explaing a painting, but cannot explain the art'. The Genesis text was a pattern for Sabbath (Rest), Genesis 2 sets mankind's special relationship to God and how it became undone. This aside, one has to look at the style of writing. The Bible comprises of many individula books. Its written in the forms of letters, prophecy, law, history, literacy, song and poetry. Once one has established the context, the truth comes alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (endparenthesis @ Jan. 01 2005,4:48)]Anyway... I'm just here to talk. Regulating this discussion is even more futile than trying to actually get a point across, I think. We'll have more posts trying to enforce some kind of structure than we do unhelpful posts already. If this is how the thread is going to be I'm no longer interested, personally.
    It's not alot to follow just something to keep in mind. This is the way it's going to be, if you choose to participate or not.
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