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    hey alpha, you havent gone into muct detail (akak rant) about sexual selection yet. it would further back up our argument for evolution
    that makes no logic

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    Forget the weight of souls - that's like weighing your hard drive to see how much information it's storing...

    Let's see... throughought this thread we've been hearing about solid evidence for intermediate life forms. This idea comes from geological columns. However, anyone who knows much about geological columns knows that they prove more about creation than about evolution. So where's our solid evidence about intermediate life forms?

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    How do geologic columns give any weight to creationism? On the contrary, while there are anomolies that are a certainty given the possible upheavals in the ground, for the most part they give a nice glimpse into the sequence of the development of life. Contrary to creationist predictions, they don't correspond to an ability to escape the flood at all, but rather to the time that they existed. This progression is also bolstered by radiometric and other dating techniques which all correspond to show an ancient earth.

    The evidence of intermediate life forms is shown not by geological columns, but rather through the analysis of the forms that come immediately prior to, and subsequent to the fossil in question. The sequence is determined not just by strata, but by dating, location, and a number of methods that all coincide in a way that they could not if the dating methods were indeed faulty.

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    Geological columns give weight to creationism in that many organisms are consistently found in every layer, from top to bottom. Secondly, there are many microscopic organisms that seem to have gone extinct, but haven't reevolved. The majority of microorganisms are still around today.

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    Quote[/b] ]The evidence of intermediate life forms is shown not by geological columns, but rather through the analysis of the forms that come immediately prior to, and subsequent to the fossil in question.
    Well all of this would show up in a geological column, wouldn't it?

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    BTW, for those of you who were asking for scientific creationist websites, check out this one.
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    On the subject of intermediate life forms, they do show up. The reason there seem to be gaps is twofold: first, the process of fossilization requires specific conditions that don't always exist. The entirety of life's progressions will never be found in the fossil record as a result, but a good framework certainly exists. Second, current evolutionary theories, like Puncuated Equilibrium, show that evolution occurs in fits and spurts and not as a smooth continuous process. This means that lots of intermediate stages between more stable periods lack the same opportunity to make fossil records.

    Why, I have to ask, do you think that more primitive life forms occur lower in the colum, despite no link to their ability to escape water?

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    Hi Rubra,
    How does the geological column show recent creationism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]hey alpha, you havent gone into muct detail (akak rant) about sexual selection yet. it would further back up our argument for evolution
    I don't know what you're talking about :P
    take it away!
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    Quote[/b] ]So where's our solid evidence about intermediate life forms?
    everywhere. fossils, killfish, the gulls, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]many organisms are consistently found in every layer, from top to bottom. Secondly, there are many microscopic organisms that seem to have gone extinct, but haven't reevolved. The majority of microorganisms are still around today.
    just wondering but what organisms are found in EVERY layer?
    If you mean things like sharks or cockroaches or damselflies that evolved long long ago and are still alive that doesn't prove creatioinism in the least bit. They just have a good design and that's it. It's like recipes... sometimes they come early in a company's history and are still here, and others are miserable failures :P... besides, you can see that many of those organisms (sharks, cockroaches, damselflies) are NOT the same species of today. Sure, giant cockroaches the size of dinner plates are still cockroaches but they're not the same species found today. (by the way... giant arthropods prove that the earth has changed. There used to be tons of O2 in the atmosphere which allowed for giant arthropods on land- it has to do with how they breathe)
    and as for "there are many microscopic organisms that seem to have gone extinct, but haven't reevolved" I have no clue how that proves creationism. No one said that once species go extinct they "reevolve"!
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    Quote[/b] ]The reason there seem to be gaps is twofold:
    not to mention that certain organisms (Ie. jellyfish) are almost or totally impossible to fossilize because of their body is too soft, etc or because of where and how they live. (for example- just my own educated guess- if there's a population of whatevers that lives on top of a volcano they wouldn't fossilize because 1. a volcano would be too high 2. the volcano may erupt and burn the fossils... or maybe the organisms live in the middle of the ocean. When they die they drift down, down, down, and for them to get to be burried before other things eat it would be extremely rare.... or if they live in a subduction zone then the fossils would go deeper and deeper and then melt... etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]So where's our solid evidence about intermediate life forms?
    remember that many times (ie. homo erectus? or was it another homo? lol.. anyway) people don't even know if to say they're humans or other apes, mammals or reptiles, etc...
    I don't get why people keep saying that there are no intermediate life forms! how much more intermediate can you get when you don't know which one they belong to?
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