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    Quote[/b] (Amateur_Expert @ Jan. 08 2005,7:49)]
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    Quote[/b] (ktulu @ Jan. 08 2005,1:38)]and let me quickly explain punctuated evolution because im not sure anyone here knows what it is or is explaining it right cause you are confusing me and i have studied the theory. the way it would work is this, a new nitch opens up and existing animals move into it, then as they occupy this nitch they evolve to better suit being in that nitch, they do not evolve then occupy the nitch like some are making it seem. The reason this is punctuated is because one spieces will suddenly become several to occupy the open nitches. of course its is more complicated than this but its the theory in a nutshell
    thats a part of the theory in a nutsell [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/confused.gif[/img]
    true but thats basicly what sets punctuated apart from normal evolution.
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    Punctuated equilibrium (not evolution) relies on reproductive isolation. If organisms exploiting a new niche continue to reproduce with the overall population, rapid speciation isn't going to happen.
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    Quote[/b] ]where is this controversy? i have never heard anyone in anthropology call homo erectus human, they are called human ancestors but never just plain humans. This also begs the question of what makes us human.
    finch asked that...I got confused. It's not homo erectus.
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    Quote[/b] ]ok fine, maybe not homo erectus but- http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC050.html

    about cambrian explosion-"Complex life forms appear suddenly in the Cambrian Explosion, with no ancestral fossils. " http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC300.html
    No fossils have been found transitional between invertebrates and vertebrates. - http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC211.html
    and speaking of finch, I know what you mean by sexual selection!
    You mean like peakocks or that deer thing with GIANT antlers?
    I don't really know what to say about it... but here it goes just for the sake of saying it :P
    first of all why it doesn't agree with creationism. Peacock tails are more of a burden (same as the giant antlers, there's a male fly with unmatched wings of different sizes, flies with antlers, etc) so why would god do that? That's not very fair now is it?
    Evolutionists believe that such things evolve for one of two reasons. One is that females choose males with characteristics that slow them down and stuff because it shows that they are healthy/strong/etc enough to be carrying such burdens, and another is that since other females like those things, you choose males that would have offspring with traits that females will find attractive and so your genes would be passed down even more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (herenorthere @ Jan. 08 2005,3:53)]Punctuated equilibrium (not evolution) relies on reproductive isolation. If organisms exploiting a new niche continue to reproduce with the overall population, rapid speciation isn't going to happen.
    Punctuated equilibrium, thats what its called, sorry couldnt remember teh equilibrium part.

    The reproductive isolation is one of the major problems with the theory since often times the new speices is found with its parent speices which makes one ask the question of why they did not interbreed.

    Also if the organisms continue to reproduce with the overall population no speciation will occur unless the entire species evlolves.
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    Quote[/b] ]that's because scientifically the great flood is IMPOSSIBLE. You can only believe the great flood if you believe that god twisted natural laws.
    Well duh God twisted natural laws - otherwise we wouldn't be talking about creationism at all. God made rain fall from the sky and come out of the ground in large enough quantities to cover the earth. I'm quite aware of the fact that this did not happen naturally.

    As for the population factor, yes, I know natural disasters and wars and all that wipe out huge numbers of people. If we had a population growth of only 0.2% a year, after 10,000 years, the population would grow from 2 to 951141889. That's almost a billion from just two people with a very high mortality rate.

    It's not just Christians who beleive in the Flood. Almost every single culture in the world has stories of a great flood that covered the earth. Coincidence?

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    it doent have to have to be the males body

    In the polygymous bowerbirds, the male constructs and decorates a bower or grass, ferns, orchids, or sticks, an there he calls and displays to attract and impress a female. In some adult males the plumage is colorfull, but in others it is uniformaly dull like that of the females; males with colourfull plumage build simple bowers, wheras unadorned males build complex ones. This clearly indicates that bowerbirds represent a transfer from sexual attraction from the males apperence to the structures and decorations.

    Males go so far as to steal decorations from eachother. females choose to mate with males with the larger, bettor decorated bowers.

    By looking at the types of bowers and the species that builds them one can imply wich may have started first and wichone has evolved the latest. The bower types are court, mat, maypole, and avenue.

    Simpleist is the court type, built by the colorfull the tooth-billd bowerbird, and is simply a cleard patch of forest decorated with upturned fresh leaves.

    (y'alll like this one) The mat type is built only by the rare Archbold's bowerbird, a large black bird of highland new guinea, witch accumulates a mat of fern fronds on the forest floor decorated with snail shells, beetle wing cases, fingus, charcoal, and other such items, and drapes orchid stems (often flowering) and -rarely- nepanthese stems on the perches above.

    The maypole is a hollow stick structure built around one or several sapling stems and decorated with flowers and moss, constructed by the five gardener bowerbirds.

    The rest make avaue bowers, simple or conplex structures of verticle stick walls standing on the ground
    that makes no logic

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Almost every single culture in the world has stories of a great flood that covered the earth. Coincidence?
    actualy, more like 5, and almost every single culture has taales of disasters. floods are one of them. Not many intact cultures -ones untouched my missonarys and not converted to christanity- have tales of a great flood that wiped out everything ( exeptions are myas, aztecs & messopitamians). if they did often it was to destroy unsatisfctory creations, like the aztecs story that the gods destroyed the clay people with a flood because they did not make satisfactory offerings.

    every single culture also has histories and tales of violence (anthropologists know of no culture that is completely peacful and does not have wars atleast rarely) and not one have females acheived as much political say in affairs as men. Coincidence, or is this a leftover behavioral trate from our ancestors?
    that makes no logic

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    OMFG, will you guys take a break?!
    I cant participate here anymore because I dont have time to read 4 pages that appear in this thread every day!
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