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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]coincidence?
    yes theres no way that they could have had contact, yiur refering to a speculated theory. The time frame is also skewed, the mya began making pyramids hundreds of years after the egyptions stopped their pyramid building. the myan culture wasnt around then, what was it the Obticans or something? To cross the atlantic, not to mention the pacific ocean in that direction would requier advanced seafaring knowledge. it took columbus a long time and a difficult journy to reach the west indies, yet comong back was a breze. why? currents, circumpolar crrents. To cross directly from the east to the west atlantic from egypt to the americas would mean that youd be fighting the gulf stream current almost all the way... The canary current can only get you so far out to seas (actualy to goes southwest) before your swept eastward and north by the gulf stream. It is certainly feasable that they were swept by them instead of fighting them, but, would their boats even survive the journy? The triangle of currents that criss cross the atlantic were known by slavetraders, and they thus made mucth money quikly by exploiting them later, but ... the egyptans and mya were agricultural societys and the seas witch boarderd their empires (part of their empire in the myan case) did not have any sunstanttal currents, so they would have had no knowledge of currents, and definantly no knowledge of atlantic currents, so cross-atlantic journeys would have been very slow and difficult for their prmitive boat tecnology. Secondly, egyption boats were primarily for river and sea travelk and would have fared very poorly in the open ocean due their desing.

    To go from central america to the meddeteranin also proves very difficult, because to go directly east would put you directly against the canary curent. Following the gulf stream is would be the only way for these primitive boats to get to the old world.woyld sweep you north to the british iles,

    from where youd have to head south and penetrate the meddeteranian sea far enough to reach egypt.

    It is certainly doable, and eventually you would reatch the opposite shore by drifting with the currents, but we dont think they would have even gotten that far. food water and time, and their boats definatly didnt move that fast. As for the chinese, it is also feasable but unlikely. you could in theory island hop and hug the coastline but thats still a very long ditance. all the way across from the pacific.

    thy myan rout to china to china is slightly more feasible, but its mostly open ocean that way and the chance of hitting a scatterd small island slight, they would have shurly died from lack of water and exposure before they made it across (myans = minimum clothing)

    a land rout across asia would be very difficult, with mountains and deserts to cross
    that makes no logic

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    Quote[/b] (Rubra @ Jan. 08 2005,12:13)]
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    Quote[/b] ]that's because scientifically the great flood is IMPOSSIBLE. You can only believe the great flood if you believe that god twisted natural laws.
    Well duh God twisted natural laws - otherwise we wouldn't be talking about creationism at all. God made rain fall from the sky and come out of the ground in large enough quantities to cover the earth. I'm quite aware of the fact that this did not happen naturally.

    As for the population factor, yes, I know natural disasters and wars and all that wipe out huge numbers of people. If we had a population growth of only 0.2% a year, after 10,000 years, the population would grow from 2 to 951141889. That's almost a billion from just two people with a very high mortality rate.

    It's not just Christians who beleive in the Flood. Almost every single culture in the world has stories of a great flood that covered the earth. Coincidence?

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    OK god broke natures, fine he produced some water. The the fact that the boat built was impossible to built and given the circumstances even if they COULD of fit a male and female of every species of EVERYTHING (which they couldn't) they wouldn't have the resources or could possibly FIND all the animals to put into that ark. The ark, physically, is impossible to build NOW with all the technology we have.

    This story is also saying that we are all descendants of noah and his family (since everyone died). Why isn't something this cataclysmic (sp) written in the history books? Surely noah or someone in his family would of written down how god saved them out of everyone else in the world.

    If god really wanted to break natures laws he would of sent noah and the animals to another planet while he destroyed everyone on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (TheAlphaWolf @ Jan. 08 2005,12:54)]ok good... but then don't use the flood in a scientific debate against evolution. (I forgot if you used it or if I was responding to the site... which isn't very scientific :P)
    lol.. there isn't anything anyone can say that is scientific, or factual in a debate against evolution.. remember?
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ] for scientists claim that all people are descended from one pair.
    scientists have never claimed that it's one pair. it was one female and the times do not coincide with adam and eve (they did it with mitochondrial DNA)
    besides... I'm going to search some more but it looks like it was disproven.
    http://www.apologeticspress.org/inth.../itn-03-03.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]There is no particular reason to choose a population growth rate of 0.5% for the calculation. The population growth from 1900 to 2000 has been closer to 0.132% per year [Encyclopaedia Britannica 1984; Martin 1999]. At that rate, the population would have grown to its present size from the eight Flood survivors in 15,500 years. And recent population growth has been historically high
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    Quote[/b] ]The Pyramids of Giza were constructed before 2490 BC, even before the proposed Flood date. Even if we assume they were built 100 years after the flood, then the world population for their construction was 13 people. In 1446 BC, when Moses was said to be leading 600,000 men (plus women and children) on the Exodus, this model of population growth gives 726 people in the world. In 481 BC, Xerxes gathered an army of 2,641,000 (according to Herodotus) when the world population, according to the model, was 89,425. Even allowing for exaggerated numbers, the population model makes no sense.
    http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB620.html
    the population thing is out the window.

    ok, I was wrong. there has been a "y-chromosome adam" but (emphasis mine)
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    Quote[/b] ]The same principles find that the most recent human male common ancestor ("Y-chromosome Adam") lived an estimated 84,000 years after the "mitochondrial Eve" and also came from Africa [Underhill et al. 2000; Hawkes 2000; Yuehai et al. 2001].
    http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB621.html
    http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB621_1.html
    darn... I love that site!

    I can't find anything about it so finch, you win.
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    Was their ever a proposed flood date

    It would have to be far back enough to allow time for the people to spread out and forget about what happened for the most part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]The the fact that the boat built was impossible to built and given the circumstances even if they COULD of fit a male and female of every species of EVERYTHING (which they couldn't) they wouldn't have the resources or could possibly FIND all the animals to put into that ark. The ark, physically, is impossible to build NOW with all the technology we have.

    This story is also saying that we are all descendants of noah and his family (since everyone died). Why isn't something this cataclysmic (sp) written in the history books? Surely noah or someone in his family would of written down how god saved them out of everyone else in the world.

    If god really wanted to break natures laws he would of sent noah and the animals to another planet while he destroyed everyone on this one.
    It was quite possible to build an ark, even if it took years in the making. I also just learned that the original hebrew word for beast (as in "every beast") most likely referrs to land-dwelling vertebrates. Noah sure didn't have the resources to find all the animals - God did.

    As for Noah not being in the history books, that's because the history books don't want people complaining as soon as they add anything "religious". The fact is that the old testament is the book of ancient Jewish history.

    And it wasn't a matter of God breaking the laws of nature, rather, he was using nature to do what he wanted.

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    if this was so, ruba, that the earth was covered in water, wheres the sedement from when the water was there, and where did the water all go? that mutch water draining off the land would form many huge erosion channles as soil and dirt was swept out to sea by the receeding water. There are none that would serve to prove this. The sheer FORCE of that much water receeding that quickly would have gouged deep channles and wiped the soil form costal areas, leaving rock
    that makes no logic

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