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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Rubra @ Jan. 12 2005,7:05)]Sorry for the confusion. If the genus developed step by step, and plants with very primitive pitcher forms died out, why isn't glabrata dying out when there is a fanged species in the same habitat? Probably because there is plenty of room, and there are plenty of bugs. So there is no reason for glabrata to die out, and no reason for plants earlier in the evolution process to die out.

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    OK. Try to get this straight, i don't know whats not being clear to you.

    I am not talking about competition between species, i'm talking about one species developing within itself.

    Do you mean a subspecies or cultivar or something? If you expect all of them to die out in one shot you are wrong. Evolution doesn't function that way.
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    While I'm thinking about extinction... if every organism was created as is, and a species goes extinct, the world is short one species forever, isn't it? People estimate that around 100 species go extinct every day in the world these days, and the rate is increasing. With all these extinctions shouldn't the world be emptied of a majority of all wildlife within millions if not thousands of years? Will it just be us and the relatively select few species that can coexist with us (rats, cockroaches, pigeons...)? Did God not see that coming?

    Or are new species created periodically as God sees fit? Are new species we're discovering (many a day... I can't find a number) freshly created? Has anyone ever heard of a new population of animals not being there one day and being there the next? What's the impact on the environment when suddenly a new population of organisms shows up and starts eating? Do these things have natural predators? Do those predators in some cases have to be instinctually adjusted to recognize these things as prey?

    Beyond the twistings of a few anti-evolutionists desperate for explanations, I've heard of absolutely no references to continuous creation in the bible. There's the progression of Genesis, but I was under the impression that the process ended with humans (and that implying otherwise would be blasphemous).

    Incidentally, this is all assuming scientists are completely wrong about the previous five mass extinctions in the earth's history. If nothing evolves it probably wouldn't have even taken all of those extinctions to homogenize the world's population into large numbers of (relatively) few species.

    EDIT: Googled and found these after posting...
    http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/extinct.html
    http://www.ncseweb.org/resourc....000.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (TheAlphaWolf @ Jan. 12 2005,7:25)]
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    Quote[/b] ]Some things are literal and some are figurative / metaphor. Yet others are prophetic, poetic, historical, theological. We have to look at the big picture.
    where do you draw the line? many "metaphors" or "poems" etc. are presented to you as truth. like I said you can't just select which ones you want to believe and which ones you don't The bible says it is true so you either believe what it says is true or not.
    If one were to read a whole book of the Bible, as opposed to just one verse, it becomes incredibly evident as to how things are being rendered. The context gets easier to determine the more one reads the whole Bible and is referred to as having good hermeneutics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ], it becomes incredibly evident as to how things are being rendered.
    obviously not or there would be agreement within christians as of where you draw the line. in this very thread we've seen that. Some christians believe there was a noah's flood, others believe that it was based on sea levels rising, others say it's a metaphor, etc..
    so it is NOT clear.
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    A lot has to do with how one was taught, as opposed to reading and praying on a consistent basis. There's a difference between going in with a set approach and asking God to teach you, with an open mind. the more ome reads and prays, the more likely you will be able to interpret properly.

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    Many members of these sects who disagree would probably say exactly that, wouldn't they? All feeling God had helped them acquire a more accurate interpretation?

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    They sure would.
    Remember that you are not the only one. You say there's proof for christianity, other religions say the same about theirs. You say that prayer will make you see the light, others say the same.
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    Here is my theory about all the different world religions..they are ALL right!
    The old devout Christian grandmother who dies..she REALLY DOES go to heaven to spend eternity with Jesus!
    The Hindu who lives a good life, He really is reincarnated and comes back one step higher..
    the Bhuddist really does reach nirvana.
    The Viking warriors really are whooping up in Valhalla..
    the American Indians are with their Great Spirit..

    I think all religions are just different ways of intrepretating God..
    God is too big for one religion..
    He can make them ALL correct if he wants to..

    I actually had this conversation in college..really scared me, turned me off on Christianity for a long time..
    between me and "Born Again friend" lets call her "BAF".

    Baf - only those who are saved will go to heaven, all other will go to Hell.
    Me - So Ghandi is in hell?
    Baf - well...yes, I would have to say so.
    Me - A newborn baby born in the wilds of deepest africa, born to non-christian parents, and dies at one day old..that baby goes to hell?
    Baf - yes.

    AHHHHHHH!!!!
    How can people think that?
    I know that God is not sending babies to hell!!
    and..there have been millions of good, decent, god-loving people in the past, and God has not punished them all because they didnt accept the "correct" religion!
    no way..My God would never do that.
    So I think as long as you are truely a good person, you end up right with God..and if you really believe, deep in your spirit, that when you die you will have some specific experience, the God is capable of giving you that..whatever it is they want..

    How can any Human say they know what God wants or thinks?
    its impossible..(and terribly arrogant!)
    I think ALL religions can be valid..

    Scot

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