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    Alphawolf, we knew something was going on, but not exactly. I mean WHY would Germany all of the sudden just build up a huge army that was mass murdering people which we DID know about, not the PLANNED killings of the Jews and non aryans in the gas chambers and death camps (Auschwitz,Brekenau,etc)

    Wolfstriker, I see what you mean now. Must have misunderstood you.

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    The US and its allies knew what was happening to the Jews during WWII. But doing something about it wasn't a priority. Some people see it as antisemitism, others see it as a lesser priority than winning the war, and there are lots of other opinions.

    As for Saddam gassing the Kurds, here's something I copied from a 9/03 transcript from the radio program Democracy Now:

    "After the Halabja gassing President Bush I and Sen. Bob Dole fought sanctions against Iraq even though the gassing killed thousands and was reportedly carried out in part by U.S.-made helicopters. From 1989 to 1990 the gassing was mentioned about once a month in major press outlets, yet in the three weeks leading up to the 2003 invasion, the press mentioned it 150 times."

    Going further back in time, remember Iraq also used gas on Iran ~1983, during the Reagan-Bush administration. That was with the full support of the US and there are some well known photos of Rumsfeld and Saddam shaking hands in that era.
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    Bush goes to war because he "thinks" Iraq had WMD but meanwhile, North Korea is creaming to the world "Hey, we got them we're willing to use them." And Bush does nothing. What's that about?
    Sturgeon's Law:
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    When there was a real fight in Viet Nam, Bush flew missions in Texas. When there's a powerful threat in North Korea and Iran, Bush attacks Iraq. Well, he sent others to fight, of course.

    Bush's pretext for invading Iraq follows in the sorry tradition of Hitler invading one harmless country after another to protect Germany. Unfortunately, Bush will do for the future of the US what Hitler did for Germany. But I don't see who'd want to help reconstruct the US society & economy afterwards. There's no Marshall Plan in our future.
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    Well I belive Bush's 'thinking' Iraq has WMD might have something to do with the fact that the US CIA told him that they believed 100% that Iraq did. The countries of Great Britian, France, Russia, Israel, Canada & many others also beleived that Iraq had WMD. Yes it has been shown that so far we have not found any 'new' WMD's. So I think it has more to do then Bush just guessing that Iraq may have them. This leads to another point that was mentioned on this thread. Someone mentioned that Bush lied to the country. Well to 'lie' means to purposely give forth information as fact that you know or have reason to believe is false. Bush had many reasons to believe that Iraq did have WMD as listed earlier so far we have found none so he has been wrong, but I dont know if you can say he lied.
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    Bush and his henchmen picked out the bits of information suggesting WMDs were present, while ignoring doubts about that information and the more substantial information contradicting it. Bush lied.
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    Ouch the CIA are henchmen? Does that mean Clinton lied, for he believed Iraq to have WMD? Clinton stated the reason he sent bombs into Baghdad on the day of his impeachment was because he believed they had WMD. Both the Senate and the House voted to go to war with Iraq beliving they had WMD. Great Britain believed they had WMD, as did France (although they have changed there opinion, a surprise there the fearsome fighting force of France). And I dont know if you have been to Iraq but we are still fighting, how much time do you think we have to find WMD while you are being shot at. Bush acted on credible information that Iraq had WMD. Being wrong so far does not mean he lied. You should thank Bush's "henchmen" for they have done an incredible job in preventing any further terriost attack on US soil. You can be certain that they tried to attack us before the election in hopes of getting the same result they got in Spain. Just stating Bush lied is a pretty easy way out. If you dislike Bush fine, but your dislike for him does not make him a lier.
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    Replying to the original post and the article from the link:

    The author of the article is complaining about financial aid not going to the Iraqis when the world is generously helping the survivors from the Tsunami. Well, correct me if I am wrong but here are two good reasons there are differences:

    1) More countries than one were affected by the Tsunami, so aid needs to come from SEVERAL Countries to provide a portion of what is needed. In Iraq's case only one country needs aid and is currently receiving MUCH of it now and has been for quite some time. Plus, most of the deaths in Iraq were caused by FIGHTING with the Coalition forces not from natural disaster.

    2) The Tsunami financial aid is coming to help rebuild cities that have completely been destroyed, and help a group of people who have lost over 150,000 friends and family in ONE DAY compared to a whole years drawn out battle!

    Financial charity is not about death tolls. Without doing any research I can estimate that the costs to help the Tsunami victims get back to 40% of what their old lives were like, compared to getting the Iraqis 40% back to their old lives, DWARFS the cost of what Iraq needs.

    However, in defense of the moral of the article, I wish this kind of generosity was richly abundant in ALL instances and throughout the WHOLE year and not just during the "charity" holidays of December. But, without a perfect world, I am pretty proud of what we have been able to do for the tsunami victims! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]
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