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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Truthfully, I wish schools would spend more time teaching students propper grammar and pronunciation for ENGLISH rather than worrying about foriegn languages.
    oy... no way... we have enough english classes. If you don't learn proper english, it's because you don't want to not because you aren't taught.
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    Quote[/b] ]we communicate in English, but who the heck knows what a relative clause is, indirect object, direct object, prepositions, gerunds, verbs, injunctions, interjections, conjunctions, the list goes on and on.
    why should we anyway? It's enough to know how to talk right... why have to know the names of all that?
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    Quote[/b] ] I certainly think it should be an option, but until our nation's 6th graders can read English at a 6th grade level, I think we should spend less money on second-language classes and more money on basic education.
    of course... it's much harder to learn another language once you're in 6th grade than before, so that is just making things more difficult.
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    Quote[/b] ]as time goes on, there will be more spanish people, as a matter of fact, statistics say in 10 years or so latino will be the majority in the USA.
    latino does not equal spanish. spanish people are from spain.
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    Quote[/b] ]But I dont see the point in forcing people to learn a second language if they dont want to.......the people who dont want ot learn it will probably just mess around in the lesson.
    this brings a good point... why should they force you to learn ANY subjects? why the heck should they even force you to go to school? I bet that learning spanish would come in more handy than certain other subjects like earth science and chemistry ... or ... as much as I hate to say this... biology for most people. so why teach those and not spanish?
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    Quote[/b] ]if we invade another country, if we can out number them then they might as well accept it and turn to our ways
    invasion? oh please. nobody is invading anyone except bush invading iraq.
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    Quote[/b] ]Funny, I don't hear the majority of Americans speak Odolwan, Lakota, Cheyenne, Oneida etc. Face it, invasions follow invasions
    I don't think I know of anyone who does know those languages. and again, this is not an invasion!
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    Quote[/b] ]The problem is that many have been a couple generations and still don't know more than hello, thank you, Yes , No, etc....and many even less than that
    who the heck is like that? I don't know anyone who is like that. every person I know that has been born here and has lived here for any more than 4 years knows the same amount of english as americans. they hear it on TV, school, etc.
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    Quote[/b] ]You would think Spanish since my last name is Garcia.
    really? my dad's second last name is garcia :P
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    and Latinos are Latin Americans which typically speak Spanish and English depending. So what? If they speak Spanish then they are included unless of course they are English speaking or at least attempting.

    Don't start with political crap! BTW if you're gonna quote then make a comment about it qoute the whole darn phrase or paragraph thats relevant. What you quoted was part of a response to someone else that is in context to what was said. Also read Coppers post on like the 2nd or 3rd page. Countless of my daughters friends parents can't or won't speak a single word of English they just talk to their kids in Spanish and the child translates for them. This is absolutely rediculous. I would not move to China and expect anyone to speak English, perhaps I would seek others like me in the city. This would beneficial to learn a new language if you have help. I however would not use others as an excuse to not further myself in a new country.
    I talk to people who have horrible English all the time, the difference is that they are paying attention when others are speaking and you can see it in their eyes that they are making mental notes of proper context for the uses of different words and just trying to learn and understand in general.

    The only people I'm knockin here are the ones that do not make any attempt to learn any English or pretend not to, one or the other. I don't care where you come from if you are typing to me in English then i am not directing this to you because you obviously learned it.

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    Joe said, "Countless of my daughters friends parents can't or won't speak a single word of English they just talk to their kids in Spanish and the child translates for them. This is absolutely rediculous."

    I say, no it isn't. That's the way it's always been and always will be. Kids pick up a language like a dog picks up fleas. Sometimes immigrant parents do and sometimes they don't. Whether it's intentional or not and whether or not you can see it in their eyes. But it doesn't matter because their kids learn English and their kids' kids and so on will too.

    Generations of people in the US have stomped their feet and whined that newly arrived people don't speak English and don't try. It's an argument that was exhausted by the Know Nothings in the 1850s and should have been dead and buried long ago. It's completely mummified in 2005, but the dusty beast keeps rising from the grave.
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    herenorthere,
    On some things I agree. It is age old,yes, but I think also the problem is that the immigrants who moved here were always left with a feeling that the newest immigrants were not trying as hard as they did and the ones befor them and so on. Afterall when we(Euros) first arrived, it was very diificult to eek out a living, and when others began moving here after the first had taken the risk and started something. I beleive this probably began the first of resentment for immigrants. They likely felt that the new comers had not saccrificed yet were reaping the rewards. This probably turned into not taking the time to learn the ways of your new country yet you want the freedom from monarchy. Still churning over time became resentment for immigrants who did not join the culture and customs of the new country(including English speach)

    I am not stating this to be fact, I am just offering a possible explanation.

    P.S.Yes you are also right about the kids and their kids will speak English but for the ones who this applies to there are still more coming that are just beginning the cycle so........at this rate my kids' kids will be fluent spanish speakers from early age because it will be necesary for them to. This doesn't have to be the case, its just the most likely.

    I don't and won't accept anyone not being able to learn English in America. If you want to then you will and if you don't care then you probably won't. Too many don't care if they know English.

    BTW in quite a few other countries you are a target for robbery or death if you cannot communicate with local people. If all you get is ridicule for your accent, then perhaps you're doin alright.

    Thats it for me, I've had enough arguing.

    Later folks
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    Um, it seems I got carried away last night with the cider and Daniel's. Everything I said doesn't make any sense at all. I apologise for my attitude and promise never to touch a computer whenever I'm not sobre. Sorry... [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blues.gif[/img]

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    It's always dangerous to rely on historic analogies, but I think the language (or nationality) issue is a good one. History shows one group after another assimilating and their presence changing American culture. I think for the better. If nothing else, imagine life if Chinese, Italian, and Mexican food traditions never arrived.

    A disclaimer - I can't help but go political here. A lot of Spanish speaking people come here legally or illegally because the US has destroyed their local economy and their best option is to come here and be part of ours. Imports of heavily subsidized corn and pork and other commodities from the US have undercut local producers around the world. Those in Latin America can get here more easily so arrive in greater numbers. The free trade advocated by the major industrial nations is a one way street.
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    Well I remember in Grade school (ele-mid) we could only take spanish and had to take it. In high-school we could take French or Spanish. I think it is rediculous that we have to take a language at all to go to college. It would be okay if we had to take a language but could take any language. I mean I might like to take chinese since most of the world is chinese. But that is not offered. I think the system has to be updated to population wise. So if the top two languages were offered (by population of the world) in each school that would be a choice between Chinese and (hmm what do the people of India Speak besides English).

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    Alphawolf, all the realtive clause, etc etc stuff I said was to illustrate how much we don't know our own language....or at least the "correct" form of English. Its sick nowadays when you ask a graduate from highschool what a gerund is....or even god forbid ask them to pick out the subject and predicate in a sentence!

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