You can argue ANYTHING is instinct. Although humans never argue WE have instincts, but everything anything else does is by instinct.[b said:Quote[/b] ]Oh, and with the artificial tools like beehives and dams, I can also argue that its instinct
You can argue ANYTHING is instinct. Although humans never argue WE have instincts, but everything anything else does is by instinct.[b said:Quote[/b] ]Oh, and with the artificial tools like beehives and dams, I can also argue that its instinct
Apes(greater apes atleast) do have artifical actions. Chimps engage in active warfare often using rocks as projectiles, and are quite accurate with them. They will attack using some basic tatics (small group distracts while larger group attacks from side/back). Apes build nests every nite to sleep in. The amazing thing about chimps is that they use tool and that the knowlegde is spread CULTURALLY, thats right humans are not the only creatures on earth with culture and warfare. Chimps have also been show to be able to use skills (like making stone tools, starting fire) they have to solve problems they have not encountered before. now again im not familar with non primate animals so thats the best i can do for you and my anthropology rant is done now.[b said:Quote[/b] (Zongyi_Yang @ Mar. 09 2005,3:56)]If hands and thumbs are an excuse, couln't they have at least learned war, nest building, etc.? I've seen tribes of monkies fight each other on tv, but I dont see them useing spears or anything like that. I dont see dolphins building dens out of leaves. If monkies do have a consciousness, they must know that useing a stick to poke is safer than useing their hands. So can we say that we are the only conscious ones on earth? Zongyi
Did you see the movie The Future is Wild? They show squids being the next intelligent animal. Although its all very unlikely (any animal that does not have a very high pop will probably die out in stead of recover in the absince of humans, like pandas), its still a cool show.[b said:Quote[/b] ]I hope it's cephalopods.
I never really thought of it that way. I always thought that evolution strives to produces a organism that can perserve its genes the longest.[b said:Quote[/b] ]Evolution doesn't produce what's best, it produces what's good enough.
That was what I was trying to say, but I guess I kinda missed it in my post. It was late and I frogot what I was saying[b said:Quote[/b] ]You can argue ANYTHING is instinct. Although humans never argue WE have instincts, but everything anything else does is by instinct.
chimps make a consious choice about the rocks and stuff thrown which is part of it but also the nest building is culturally transmitted because there are differnces in the nests built by the chimps of Gombe and the Tai chimps, who live in differnt areas of africa. If a young chimp is not shown how to build a nest it never will.[b said:Quote[/b] (Zongyi_Yang @ Mar. 09 2005,9:57)]ktulu- I would have imagined rocks and stuff thrown, but again why havn't they advanced from that (I guess that this was explained with going to spears being very long and time consuming). Nesting I believe is not a sign of inteligence. I bet a bird who never saw a nest can build its own nest (correct me if I'm wrong).